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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Ed Laughery, Mar 26, 2006.

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  1. Ed Laughery

    Ed Laughery Guest

    Hi

    I am interested in buying a copy of "the Art of Electronics". I would very
    much appreciate obtaining a list of the differences between the first and
    second edition.

    Thanks in advance for your comments and consideration.

    Regards
    Ed
     
  2. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hello Ed,
    Why on earth wouldn't you want the newest edition? It is worth every penny.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  3. Ed Laughery

    Ed Laughery Guest

    Hi

    I have a chance to purchase a used first edition at a very attractive
    price - thought I would simply find out what the major topic differences
    might be. From your comment, it appears that the book is every bit the
    "bible" that most folks claim it is.

    Thanks for the reply.

    Regards
    Ed
     
  4. John B

    John B Guest

    Ed Laughery scrobe on the papyrus:
    Win has been promising us a new edition for some time now. Might be
    worth waiting.
     
  5. Fred Bartoli

    Fred Bartoli Guest

    Nope. The wise way would be to buy this dirt cheap first edition and read
    it. Then realize how beneficial it'd be to read the second edition, buy and
    read it.
    Then he'll be just as all of us, waiting for the 3rd edition. And while
    waiting he'll a happy man with the previous editions for reference.
     
  6. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    That depends on what you want to get from reading the book. AoE just
    doesn't go deep enough into the details to actually get a design done.
    It may help point you in the right direction to solve a problem.
     
  7. Ian Stirling

    Ian Stirling Guest

    Knowing the territory is the key to finding the solution though.
    AOE is an excellent 'overview' book.
    To be complete, it'd really need to be at least 100 times the size I
    expect.

    I do wonder what would happen if AoE 2 + notes was put up as a wiki.
     
  8. Fred Bloggs

    Fred Bloggs Guest

    No single reference can do that. The tutorial topic presentations are of
    sufficient scope and quality for purposes of review and launching the
    reader into developing a more detailed understanding of the specialized
    literature and pertinent datasheets for any particular application. The
    specialized literature is where the user is most likely to find or
    develop a specific solution to the application requirements, unless
    those requirements are trivial, in which case the many circuit tidbits
    in the book will suffice. If you don't know how to think analytically or
    conduct research, you will miss 90% of the content of the book, but then
    again most newbies are amply served by 10% of the content and will
    develop more comprehension with time. AoE is infinitely better than the
    "demystified" garbage because it introduces the reader to the real world
    which they might as well get used to from the beginning; everyone has to
    start somewhere. AoE is also infinitely better than university
    laboratory instruction as most of that waste of time is taught by
    inexperienced and incompetent academic idiots.
    The problem is identifying those aspects of the practice that are likely
    to endure the expected lifetime of the edition. It would be pointless to
    waste time and money producing a huge volume with tons of detailed
    circuit descriptions likely to become obsolete in short order.
     
  9. John  Larkin

    John Larkin Guest

    depending on how old you are.

    John
     
  10. John B

    John B Guest

    John Larkin scrobe on the papyrus:
    Well, I'm nearly 59, retired for six months and in reasonably good
    health (that may be important). Do you think I can afford to wait, or
    should I just stick with my copy of the first edition? I guess it
    really depends on who pops their clogs first, me or Win!!!
     
  11. Terry

    Terry Guest

    This is an amazing idea! Is there any takers? I mean even I would
    contribute with what little knowledge I have...

    Terry
     
  12. Ian Stirling

    Ian Stirling Guest

    Well, I could do this, but I have the suspicion that some regular
    posters may object :)

    A wiki 'from scratch' takes a hell of a lot longer to get started - if
    it does at all, than one that starts from some framework.

    AoE would be an ideal starting framework for an electronics wiki - but
    it's unlikely to happen for a number of reasons I suspect.
     
  13. Guest

    I'd really like to see something out there in keeping with the spirit
    of the AoE book. There's much in the way of information and 'tutorials'
    already available but mostly it's clonework and essentially
    worthless.
    Would seem though that AoE differentiates itself from all other
    textbooks, in that the authors have the experience and courage! to
    point out numerous examples of what they see as elegant design and
    clever technique. Y'know ... stuff used by real designers in real
    products. I'd suggest it'd be phenominally difficult in a Wiki to
    maintain that level of dedication and single mindedness of purpose .
    Anyways, can't happen as Win'd lose his raison d'etre :)
    john
     
  14. Ian Stirling

    Ian Stirling Guest

    Part of that is the starting base.
    Most people will only add content of a similar quality.

    Unfortunately the problem is the remaining 1%.

    If my copy of AoE was a wiki.
    I'd have added some bits, if only for my own use.
    Mainly updating tables.
     
  15. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    That's another way of putting what I already typed :)
     
  16. Kryten

    Kryten Guest

    I feel the AoE is a good starting foundation text.

    It was designed to take people from an entrance level, show them around the
    basics then it is up to the newly-confident reader to go exploring on their
    own.

    To do that alone, it is a large book. And therefore not cheap.
    "And worth every frickin' cent!" I might add before the authors do.

    Expanding it might well turn it into a huge set of encyclopaedias that
    nobody can carry out of the shop in one go or afford to buy.

    Now the internet is here, they can google for anything, though of course the
    quality is rather varied. But having read the AoE, people can apply their
    own judgement in sifting out good circuits from bad.
     
  17. Joel Kolstad

    Joel Kolstad Guest

    It's more that that in that it also shows people more advanced techniques,
    even if it necessarily glosses over a few of the mathematical details at
    times. As I seem to recall, it was initially written from class notes that
    were taught in a physics department, where the emphasis was on transferring
    enough knowledge to get people building real, useful instrumentation. Compare
    that course of development to the standard EE curriculum, which emphasizes the
    ability to analyze pretty much any circuit in great detail, but has much more
    limited emphasis on synthesis as it applies to the real world. (The EE
    synthesis emphasis seems to be largely in areas where there are "nice" results
    available, such as filter design... but with, e.g., Butterworth, Chebyshev,
    etc. rather than "weird" hybrid combinations like AoE tends to advocate.) A
    standard EE curriculum doesn't include in-depth discussions of capacitor
    types, construction techniques (including those for high-frequency design),
    tables of "blue-chip" op-amps, etc.
    Good point. There actually aren't that many Internet electronics web sites
    that are "tutorial" in nature, since of course producing one is a very large
    time commitment; instead, though, you find *many* "circuits" collections, and
    their quality is all over the board.
     
  18. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    I think they (Win and Mr. Horowitz) should do something like the guy
    who wrote "Thinking in C++" - the book is downloadable for free, but they
    charge you for the answers to the exercises. :)

    Cheers!
    Rich
     
  19. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    There is a teacher's answer book authored by Horowitz. I bought a
    copy.

    ...Jim Thompson
     
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    Rich
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