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MassiveProng

Jan 1, 1970
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Maybe that would be a spur to finally eradicate it ?

Mind you, getting rid of standing water is pretty effective.


There is also the practice of spraying that stuff that makes them
sterile from the larval stage up.
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:54:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
[snip]
As for a "real tomato", you apparently don't know how to shop. I can
buy "legacy tomatoes" at just about every grocery in Phoenix.

...Jim Thompson


We call them "heirlooms." They tend to be hideously ugly and taste
like tomatoes.

John

Yep, that was the word I couldn't remember ;-)

Big, not too "seedy", wonderful on a burger!

...Jim Thompson
 
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MassiveProng

Jan 1, 1970
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Of course a 1 degree change in water temperature means a category 5
hurricane is now a category 6 when it slams into the coast - they have
no good response to that one.


You're an idiot.
 
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MassiveProng

Jan 1, 1970
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you are amazingly ignorant and self righteous -


Watch the film and shut the **** up, asswipe.

You cannot spew your horseshit from a one sided set of claims.

UNLESS you actually watch the film, you are EXACTLY one of the
retards that makes claims with ZERO foundation.

Take note that just the other day I was on the other side of this
issue, and ther are posts to prove it.
 
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default

Jan 1, 1970
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It's still very contentious but the very fact that politicians are going on
about it tends to make me believe it must be wrong.

Graham
The politicians give me pause also. The politicians in the US
administration at least, did at first, call the scientists idiots and
suppressed their findings. George went so far as to fire one of the
NASA scientists for making his findings public a few years back.

Since then, there's been an about face in the ranks. Like BP putting
out all the propaganda on being an "energy company" not an oil
company. It is like the industry has come to the conclusion that
there is money to be made in the "fight against global warming."

I don't trust industry to be telling the truth - they just see a new
way to make more money by shifting our perceptions.

The industry and "Christian Coalition" have gotten behind the GW thing
and now the politicians see it as a way to further their careers.
 
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MassiveProng

Jan 1, 1970
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The politicians give me pause also. The politicians in the US
administration at least, did at first, call the scientists idiots and
suppressed their findings. George went so far as to fire one of the
NASA scientists for making his findings public a few years back.


Bullshit. There has NEVER been suppression of ANY of NASA's
findings.

I have a 20plus year old Laser disc with space shuttle images of the
ozone hole over Antarctica, as well as the chlorine cloud.

Get a clue. Don't spew so much shit out of your ass claiming it to
be facts. Look around you and learn a little. WATCH THE FILM,
DIPSHIT!
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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Sounds like my neighbors - install bigger air conditioners, plant palm
trees, no problem, where's the problem? It used to be three plants
would yield more tomatoes than I could use - now planting four rows is
a waste of effort.

Of course a 1 degree change in water temperature means a category 5
hurricane is now a category 6 when it slams into the coast - they have
no good response to that one.

There is no category 6, and it appears to me that on average it takes
2-3 degrees F warmer water to make hurricanes a category worse.
Keep in mind that the world is warming unevenly, as expected. The
tropics are warming less than the world as a whole.
This ain't Ohio. We had a week of temperatures over 100 peaking at
106 a few years ago - with humidity in the 80-90 percent range.

Where? Humidity at time of high temperature, or humidity at breakfast
time? 100 degrees F at 80% RH is a dew point about 93 degrees F, which I
think is about the world record - set somewhere around the Red Sea, which
is an especially warm body of water, warmer than the Gulf of Mexico and
tropical ocean areas.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
We call them "heirlooms." They tend to be hideously ugly and taste
like tomatoes.

Some of the tastiest tomatoes I've ever had were grown in my garden.

The yellow ones were especially nice.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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MassiveProng said:
You're an idiot.

I expect a number of ppl must have concluded that. He appears to be blocked from
this news server.

Graham
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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You're thinking of that doctor who was grumbling about the uselessness of solar
PV panels ?



He made a very good point I thought that 'the West' wants to make it expensive
for them.



It seems to make far more sense to me that CO2 levels should trail warming.
After all there's so much CO2 trapped in solution in the oceans.

In the past few hundred thousand years, CO2 rise during a warming period
has resulted from warming, and has been a positive feedback mechanism,
causing more warming. Similarly, temperature drops run into positive
feedback from a cooler world removing CO2 from the atmosphere.

In recent decades, things have been different. CO2 content in the
atmosphere has increased by an amount less than humans dumped into it, so
some of the CO2 from human activity has gone into the oceans and increased
their CO2 content.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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It doesn't trouble you that the scientist who first espoused global
warming has reversed his opinion.

As for a "real tomato", you apparently don't know how to shop. I can
buy "legacy tomatoes" at just about every grocery in Phoenix.

...Jim Thompson


We call them "heirlooms." They tend to be hideously ugly and taste
like tomatoes.

John
 
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Homer J Simpson

Jan 1, 1970
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We can already see the "positive" aspects of a warmer climate here
(Southeastern US). Crops that once flourished untouched by insects
are virtually impossible to grow because the lack of a hard freeze
leaves the mold and insect larva intact from season to season.

Great. Killer bees getting closer - not to mention infected mosquitoes.
 
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default

Jan 1, 1970
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:58:30 -0700, MinimumDong wrote... [snip

We have 5 inch diameter beefsteaks that are luscious!

This ain't Ohio. We had a week of temperatures over 100 peaking at
106 a few years ago - with humidity in the 80-90 percent range.
Native plants begin wilting outdoors under those conditions.
[snip]

I'm puzzled. I've grown tomatoes in my front entryway... sun in the
morning, shaded from about 11AM onward, at temperatures as high as
115°F.

They certainly don't "wilt" in a greenhouse either, which is what I
suggested.

Also, greenhouse temps can be significantly lower than the temp
outside them with simple ventilation, and even water mist cooling, if
needed. Basic physics.

Misting only cools if the water can evaporate - that's what
evaporative cooling is all about - only works with dry air. Misting
an already hot humid greenhouse only has water dripping off surfaces
it coalesces on promoting the growth of mold, slime and algae.

It isn't temperature it is the combination of temperature and
evaporation rates.

My wife and I were down in Puerto Rico on a particularly hot day - for
PR - temperature went to 110. The locals were advising us to stay
indoors or go to the beach it was "unhealthy to be outside it was so
hot." We walked 10 miles to and from a beach with no distress
whatsoever - after imbibing several ounces of 20 year old rum.
Likewise no distress in Death Valley at 120 degrees - at least not
while driving a motorcycle - 100 degrees in the Everglades is a lot
more uncomfortable on a bike.

Here we don't see a "blue" sky in summer - they call it Carolina Blue
- a kind of white with slight blue hue in it due to moisture in the
air. That same humidity causes the temperatures to stay high at night
- 101 during the day is often 89-90 at night. Montana has a blue sky.

In contrast: you could freeze your ass off in Death Valley at night -
a pan of water a few feet off the ground may freeze into ice with a
combination of evaporative cooling and low night time temps.

And like I said we have mold and insects to contend with. The
tomatoes are hit by a black mold that kills off the leaves before the
fruit can mature - cherry tomatoes will ripen fast enough to actually
get fruit - beefsteak tomatoes won't get close. You might get a good
crop the very first year, if you find a place where tomatoes haven't
been grown and far enough away from those places. The second year
will be dismal but worth the effort. Crop rotation might work if we
had that kind of land.
 
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Don Klipstein

Jan 1, 1970
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But hurricanes aren't powered by temperature; they're powered by
temperature differentials, like any other heat engine. So they'll get
worse if the water-air differential increases.

Isn't the presumed GW water temp increase being heated by the air?
More C02 absorption in air would seem to me to reduce air-water temp
differential, not increase it.

The air gets warmed by the surface more than the other way around.

Meanwhile, what powers hurricanes is the temperature differential
between the water surface and the upper troposphere, as well as water
vapor.

Greenhouse gases will warm the surface. Since greenhouse gases radiate
heat away into outer space as well as towards the surface, they can have
some cooling effect on air well aloft. Warming well aloft appears to me
to be mainly from convection from a warmer surface. The upper troposphere
will only warm up as much as the surface where convection from the
surface to the upper troposphere is constant - maybe this gets close
enough to true in tropical rainforest areas.

Also, water vapor concentration will increase with temperature.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
 
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Boris Mohar

Jan 1, 1970
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Mainly malaria.
Probably not in the UK, but maybe places like Romania, possibly
southern Spain, it's only a 15 Km from Morroco, and P.vivax is less
than 200Km from Gibraltar www.map.ox.ac.uk

Probably not in our life time, but in your childrens


martin

One of the greatest malaria epidemics of the last century struck the Former
USSR after the World War I with more than 10 million cases in 1923-26 and at
least 60,000 deaths.
 
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Paul E. Schoen

Jan 1, 1970
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John Larkin said:
But hurricanes aren't powered by temperature; they're powered by
temperature differentials, like any other heat engine. So they'll get
worse if the water-air differential increases.

Isn't the presumed GW water temp increase being heated by the air?
More C02 absorption in air would seem to me to reduce air-water temp
differential, not increase it.

We have to go out for BLT's; it's too hot to garden today.

John

You are posting an hour in the future. Of course we just switched to EDT 3
weeks earlier, but you are 2 hours ahead of EST. At least you are not
posting tomorrow, as John Popelish did on the basics NG.

I believe it is to everyone's best interest to reduce energy consumption,
"weather" or not global warming is due to our own excesses. Even if we
cannot see a reversal of the warming trend in our lifetimes, it would be
irresponsible and selfish of us to continue extravagent and wasteful use of
energy just so we can aggressively rev up bigger engines in bigger vehicles
while gridlocked on the beltway.

We can do better than G.W. (Global Warmongering) Bush and his cronies
announcing an increase in alternative fuel production, while being happy
with small percentage points increase in CAFE of domestic vehicles, and
allowing overly strict safety regulations to prohibit small efficient
vehicles to be made and used on US highways. If fuel costs in the US were
more aligned with those in much of the rest of the world, we would not have
as many huge trucks and massive SUVs which make the highways less safe for
more sensible vehicles.

We would still have to contend with the most failure-prone piece of
hardware, the nut behind the wheel.

Paul
 
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Homer J Simpson

Jan 1, 1970
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We would still have to contend with the most failure-prone piece of
hardware, the nut behind the wheel.

And the one behind the podium with the presidential seal.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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There is no category 6, and it appears to me that on average it takes
2-3 degrees F warmer water to make hurricanes a category worse.

But hurricanes aren't powered by temperature; they're powered by
temperature differentials, like any other heat engine. So they'll get
worse if the water-air differential increases.

Isn't the presumed GW water temp increase being heated by the air?
More C02 absorption in air would seem to me to reduce air-water temp
differential, not increase it.

We have to go out for BLT's; it's too hot to garden today.

John
 
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