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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by o pere o, Jan 18, 2013.

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  1. o pere o

    o pere o Guest

    So imagine undergraduate students who have studied:

    - 2 semesters of digital design (from gates to VHDL to a small processor)
    - 2 semesters of circuit theory (from Kirchoff to OpAmp, Laplace,
    Fourier, Bode)
    - 2 semesters of analog and digital signals and systems (Modulations,
    sampling, DSP)
    - 1 semester of analog electronics
    - 1 semester of RF circuits
    - 2 semesters of high level programming (from basics to classes)
    - 2 semesters around microcontrollers and microprocessors (AVR and ARM/MIPS)
    - 1 semester of C programming at the hardware level
    - 1 semester of Operating Systems
    - 1 semester of Real-Time and Concurrent programming
    - 1 semester of Communication Networks (ISO levels)

    all with the associated maths, physics and others.

    When it comes to integrate this knowledge into a whole system, where you
    have to think globally, taking into account energy management,
    electromagnetic compatibility, thermal issues, choice of technology for
    wireless connectivity, etc., is there any textbook out there? And any
    one which you could recommend?

    I have been searching around but the only way out seems to be to make a
    mix of application notes, and pehaps selected chapters from here and
    there. I would be glad to find a single source... even knowing that this
    may be difficult. Anyway, asking won't hurt ;)

    Thanks for any input

  2. You might look at "The Circuit Designers Companion" by Tim Williams. An
    oldish book now (1991). But is specifically intended to cover some of
    the electronic product design real-world issues typically left out of
    academic courses.
  3. o pere o

    o pere o Guest

    Thanks, John! There is a second edition from 2004, which I am looking at
    now thanks to google books. From a quick look at the contents it looks
    very promising...

  4. Also of course the now venerable "Art of Electronics", if you have not
    already got it.

    A classic, it's old now, a new one is due out in a few months. (And has
    been for the last 10 years but we live in hope...).
  5. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    Actually my EE study included that. If -lets give it a name- 'circuit
    realisation' isn't part of an EE course I'd get my money back.
  6. miso

    miso Guest

    I get the sense you believe there is an optimal solution to a complex
    system, which of course there isn't. In my mind, optimal is high
    reliability, but someone else might want low cost.

    Since you are outlining a sampled data system (maybe not in the strict
    sense but still in practice), you always have to consider what happens
    between samples. Life is analog, and analog needs to be under control at
    all times, not just at the sample points.
  7. Guest

    LOL! You mean "EE-427 - Practical Spice" doesn't cut it? ;-)
  8. o pere o

    o pere o Guest

    I surely have AoE! But I am looking more for material for someone who
    already has had an exposure to the material of AoE and wishes to
    integrate this into a product. You may know how to design a low-noise
    amplifier but you have to put this inside a box, perhaps battery powered...

    Tim Williams' book looks nice for the "electronics" part. But there are
    also those nasty system decisions. For instance, where to put the
    frontiers between Software, Firmware and Hardware. How to these affect
    development time, power consumption, reliability, performance? How does
    one learn this -if not by experience? I am actually looking for support
    material in any of these "systems integration" areas...

  9. Guest

    If there isn't an optimal solution, the problem isn't defined well
  10. tm

    tm Guest

    "Practical Spice" . LOL, that's a good one!
  11. Guest

    That's certainly not true.
  12. Guest

    I thought your standard was 'less unsatisfactory'?
  13. Guest

    Yep, and never underestimate the power of iteration...
  14. miso

    miso Guest

    Where you partition a system changes with technology. Look at software
    defined radios. If you don't need versatility, analog design wins.
    [Simple and low power.] If you need to support a plethora of modulation
    options, SDR wins.

    I have mentioned on this NG more than once about the DTMF dialer we put
    in a modem chipset that used a CORDIC. It was insanely accurate, way
    beyond the requirements. The only reason we did it was the DAC, uP and
    CORDIC were needed in the system for other functions, and dialing was
    done at a time when those system resources were not in use.

    I don't believe the book you want exists.
  15. I've enjoyed surfing through Phil Hobbs' "Building Electro-Optical
    Systems: Making It All Work." It's ecumenical in scope, to the extent
    that I think the title was a mistake on his part (or his
    publisher's). Easily half of the book discusses topics of interest in
    general system design rather than anything specific to EO systems.
    Those who have been waiting for the upcoming AoE 3rd edition are
    likely to enjoy and benefit from Phil's book in the meantime.

    Another book that is somewhat mistitled is Henry Ott's newest edition
    of "Electromagnetic Compatibility Engineering." Anyone building an
    electronic device with two or more components could probably benefit
    from this one.

    The current edition of "Building Scientific Apparatus" is a fun read,

    -- john
  16. Guest

    The specification can absolutely define the widget to be designed.
    Sorta turning the art of electronics into the science of electronics.
    Sometimes it is just turning the crank. It might not be any fun (I
    tend to agree) but it does create successful products. In fact,
    that's why software is so miserable; all art, no science.
  17. Guest

    Complete nonsense. Power/energy may be of no interest whatsoever.
  18. miso

    miso Guest

    You might want to check in the mirror to see who is spouting nonsense.
    If you think in the 21st Century, nobody cares about power, you will be
    left far far far behind.

    Oh, have you ever heard of a company called Arm? Intel has.
  19. Optimal should include the development cost, which should include the
    time taken to do the optimization :)

    This is something I am forever getting wrong myself - I can spend far
    too long "optimizing" - fiddling - with the design, at all stages.
  20. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    I just looked it up but all I can find is reading material (a couple
    of hundred pages) put together by several teachers and published by
    the school. The topics covered are like establishing requirements,
    adhering to regulations, thermal behaviour, interfacing logic,
    impedance matching, PCB layout, power distribution, logic switching
    time, etc, etc.
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