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Discussion in 'General Electronics' started by Marc, Dec 15, 2003.

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  1. Marc

    Marc Guest

    Hi all,

    I am designing a temperature servomechanism. The layout is as
    follows: I am exciting a wheatstone bridge configuration (where one
    of the resistors is replaced with my thermistor) using an AC sine wave
    voltage source. The bridge difference is then amplified and then sent
    to my demodulator chip. The ouput of that is low-pass filtered (which
    gives me a DC signal proportional to the bridge voltage difference),
    sent to the PID control, and then goes to the TEC driver which of
    course provides the current for the TEC.

    My problem is this: I need to monitor the signal somewhere in the
    configuration so I can know what the achievable temperature stability
    that my circuit provides. I thought about recording the amplified
    bridge difference but this is then nonlinearly related to the change
    in temperature. No problem, just take the derivative of a few
    equations (the diffeerence between two resistor divider equations and
    the Steinhart equation) and make a substitution. But you will find
    that the change in the amplified voltage is related to the change in
    temperature with the value of the thermistor resistance (Rt) in the
    equation. Well heck, if I had and could monitor Rt then I wouldn't
    need to go through all this other business. I also thought about just
    monitoring the voltage change from one side of the bridge (the side
    with the thermistor obviously) but again I think Rt will show up in
    the equations plus I expect the change in this voltage to be extremely
    small once my circuit is properly designed, tuned, and thermally

    Perhaps I am missing something obvious here. Does anyone have any
    thoughts on the best way to monitor the temperature change and
    stability from this circuit? Any help is greatly appreciated. If
    more information or clarification is needed please let me know.

    Marc Airola

    Electro-Optical Systems Group
  2. If the other resistors in the bridge are fixed, you should have a
    *fixed* nonlinear relationship between voltage and delta-T (from
    balance). For small differences (< 1°C, the kind I imagine you'd see),
    it won't even be that nonlinear. Zero output is when Rt is the same as
    the resistor on the other side of the bridge, right?

    Keep in mind that the measured stability of Rt is not necessarily an
    indication of what's happening elsewhere temperature-wise.

    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
  3. Guest

    I designed an AC bridge that self oscillated in unbalance and synch
    demod this was for a crystal oven in 1965!.
    Even at that time the offsets that could be achieved (already good
    enough) from a discrete DC amplifier made AC working unnecessary.
    The limitation in my applications has always been the thermal gradients
    and the thermal time constants , even with a two term controller the
    thermal improvement factor can seldom exceed 200.
    ie a 200 temp change externally gives a 1 change at the point of
    temperature sensing.
    Note at temperature sensor not the average change in the controlled
    Clever thermal design can achieve infinite improvement in the controlled
    Easiest to design a double oven one inside the other for high thermal
    Finally to answer your primary question ; as you are using AC activation
    why not measure the thermistor with a 6 digit DC ohm meter

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