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Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by [email protected], Jan 16, 2006.

  1. John McGaw

    John McGaw Guest

    Well, the other posters who called it a Torx were almost on the mark.
    What you have there is a Torx Plus which is marketed as a tamper
    resistant screw and this time Textron has put some actual controls upon
    the distribution of the tools needed to work properly with them. Guess
    they learned that everyone and their brother was selling the regular
    six-pointed Torx tools thus depriving them of any security benefits.
    Same thing with the Tamper Torx which was identical but which had a pin
    in the center of the star but which, once the pin was snapped off or the
    tool had a hole drilled in the tip, was easily removed.

    If you want to buy Torx Plus tools you must, in theory anyway, be a
    legitimate user as defined by Textron although if you know anyone who
    works with them they should be pretty easily obtained at the cost of a
    case of beer. ;-)

    http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/products/torxplus/index.html
     
  2. Tony Hwang

    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    Many will make one good drive from two bad ones. Some fails in
    electronics part some fails in mechanical part.
    Tony
     
  3. Guest

    No matter what you do with it, the drive WILL die. It's the
    unfortunate, but inevitable destiny that we all share.

    I've opened hard drives again and again in very filthy rooms and
    they've never shown any ill effects over the days, or in some cases
    weeks, that I operated them. I do this all the time with old drives
    because I can see what's happening inside the drive while I test my
    control circuitry.

    If I was manufacturing hundreds of thousands of drives and had to worry
    about warranties and customer satisfaction, I'd be doing it in a clean
    room. And I would buy a new drive before attempting to repair a damaged
    one. But you definitely can operate a hard drive without the cover for
    a while; probably long enough to do whatever you want if you don't
    dawdle.
     
  4. jim menning

    jim menning Guest

  5. mc

    mc Guest

    I'm looking for a 5-point star shaped screwdriver. I bought a Seagate
    ....
    Don't those have 6 points?
     
  6. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest


    From the picture, it's the screws that hold together the external case.
    Probably wants to upgrade the drive or put it in a different case.
     
  7. wrench

    wrench Guest

    Torx screws are seldom used for no other purpose then to keep the prying eyes
    Not an accurate statement.

    Torx drive screws have been used on vehicles for ten years plus. They are not
    (in their standard form) an anti tamper fastener.
     
  8. wrench

    wrench Guest

    [I've been taking them apart to play with the magnets--- not as strong as I
    expected in the newer drives]

    magnets? in a hard drive?
     
  9. J. Clarke

    J. Clarke Guest

    No guarantee that it's the right size, (OD approx .057 in, about the same as
    a T5 Torx) but search ebay for "5 pointed star screwdriver". Don't have a
    recent Seagate drive on hand to try it on or I'd let you know if it fits.
    You'll get a dozen or so hits from a guy named elvis fong who sells them
    for Sony and Sharp PDAs. Price is about a buck plus 5 bucks or so shipping
    from Hong Kong so call it 6 bucks or so total.

    I ordered one a while back and he got it right out--seems to be a reliable
    vendor.

    Let him know that you're looking for a driver specifically for Seagate
    drives and he might find one for you.
     
  10. CJT

    CJT Guest

    Yes. Strong ones.
     
  11. J. Clarke

    J. Clarke Guest

    Yes, magnets in a hard drive. Part of the actuator.
     
  12. Arno Wagner

    Arno Wagner Guest

    Definitely correct. For anti-tamper there is Torx with a pin
    in the middle that needs a Torx driver with a hole. Standard
    Torx is just very well suited for automated mounting and also
    very well suited to use with a Torx bit in an electric drill.
    Here you get a lot of "Spax" wood screws with Torx head.

    Torx is optimised for maximum torque without damaging the
    tool or screw and easier insertion than the standard 6-way
    symmetric format. IMO ist qualifies as possibly the best
    all around screw head format.

    Arno
     
  13. Arno Wagner

    Arno Wagner Guest

    Yes, a pair of very strong ones in the moving-coil assembly that
    forms the head actuator motor.

    Arno
     
  14. Peter

    Peter Guest

  15. Whoa.
    Someone actually *READ* the original post and looked at the linked picture.
     
  16. mm

    mm Guest

    Too many maybes and negatives in this sentence for me to understand
    it.
    They're also used in my car just to hold the trunk struts on. Nothing
    secret about that.

    Don't get me started on what I used to do to elevators..

    Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
    me know if you have posted also.
     
  17. mm

    mm Guest

    On 16 Jan 2006 08:17:07 -0800, ""
    My drive is clicking, and one important partition has a very bad
    directory structure. I'm not sure I can copy over even the good
    partitions before it "fails". If I open it, what would I want to do
    to stop the clicking, or to keep the clicking syndrome from preventing
    me from copying the data to a good drive.

    (The bad partition is FAT16 (because I was still running win3.1 and
    win98 and wanted both OSes to access the parttiion.)

    Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
    me know if you have posted also.
     
  18. Judging by the number of replies you got to this problem I would equate it
    to the complexity of opening up a coconut, but then again, you're in the
    right group! If your sole purpose is to have a tool for this type of screw
    Jim has the most helpful advice.

    If your goal is to get I that drive case *NOW* I would suggest you take a
    flat bit screwdriver of the same width as the inner diameter of the screw in
    question and put it in there and loosen it up. Yes, this works extremely
    well and causes no damage to the driver or the screw. I have done this so
    many times to gain access to devices that uses these types of screws.

    To avoid this problem in the future use only Seagate Cheetah U320 SCSI SCA
    drives!






    Rita
     
  19. Impmon

    Impmon Guest

    Torx is 6 pointed star and won't fit 5 star screw head well. If you
    force the torx to work, you're liable to strip the wrench or worse the
    screw head.
     
  20. what are you going to do with it when you get it apart ???
     
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