Sprinkler Monitoring

[Bob La Londe]

Old exisitng building has sprinkelrs, but no sprinkler monitoring. They had
a fire, and the sprinklers did their job.

Fire department came to inspect the dameg and told them they have 7 days to
get their sprinklers monitored.

I'm pretty sure it is grandfathered as not requiring them to be monitored,
but all that beig said, how do you get an electrical enginer to rubber stamp
a set of plans and pull a permit and get it installed all in seven (7) days?

 

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In CT we never needed an EE to sign off on fire jobs. We just
submitted the plans to the fire marshal along with engineering spec
sheets for each of the products and battery load calculations.
Approval was routine as long as the plans met code.

Regards,
Robert L Bass
www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

 

[Bob Worthy]

I don't believe there is any grandfathering when an AHJ wants something. A
sprinkled building usually falls under central station service as required,
but than again I just ran across one last week that had a system but not
connected to any flows. The new owner had the local AHJ in for an inspection
before he bought the building and got a clean bill of health, but it is not
up to code on several issues. Go figure. In Florida, you do not need an
engineer stamp on anything under $5,000. Have the sprinkler company add the
flow and tamper. You are only adding a couple of modules or connecting a
couple of wires, which ever the case, and programming them in. Shouldn't be
over 5 grand if the same rules apply. I would have the fire department put
the time frame in writing, do the work, and apply for the permit as, work in
progress under instructions from the fire department. Let one city
department work it out with the other city department if they have a problem
with it.

 

[Crash Gordon]

Grandpa don't count if AHJ wants something done. I dont think you'll need an
engineer for a waterflow..I never did even in Snotsdale...just submit on
your own.


| Old exisitng building has sprinkelrs, but no sprinkler monitoring. They
had
| a fire, and the sprinklers did their job.
|
| Fire department came to inspect the dameg and told them they have 7 days
to
| get their sprinklers monitored.
|
| I'm pretty sure it is grandfathered as not requiring them to be monitored,
| but all that beig said, how do you get an electrical enginer to rubber
stamp
| a set of plans and pull a permit and get it installed all in seven (7)
days?
|
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| --
| Bob La Londe
| http://www.YumaBassMan.com
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|
|

 

[Nick Markowitz]

If your state has adopted ICC like Pa. then an engineer archetectct or
similar state registered profesional must sign off on plan. and AHJ has
final authority under ICC existing buildings code on the monitoring , which
is not grandfathered which includes the shut off valve being monitored too.
were a chain and lock was Ok before.

 

[Bob La Londe]

If your state has adopted ICC like Pa. then an engineer archetectct or
similar state registered profesional must sign off on plan. and AHJ has
final authority under ICC existing buildings code on the monitoring ,
which
is not grandfathered which includes the shut off valve being monitored
too.
were a chain and lock was Ok before.

I just dealt with an inspector yesterday and he wanted both, although he
admited the chain and lock were not required if tamper was monitored.

 

[Bob Worthy]

Chain and lock are first line of defense (protection) and the tamper is
backup (detection).

 

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Once your municipality adopts the I-codes (IBC, IFC, IMC, et al), the
act of grandfathering stops. IFC 907.3 is where you will find fire
protection requirements for existing buildings.

The IBC requires all sprinkler water flow and valve position switches
(that may be tamper resistant) to be monitored. The only exceptions
being R-3 and limited sprinkler systems (fewer than 20 heads).

Several Arizona cities accept drawings submitted by a NICET III
certified technician.

Good luck!

Mike

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