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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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I just heard on the news that the Spirit probe has landed on Mars!
 
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Ian Stirling

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
I just heard on the news that the Spirit probe has landed on Mars!
Anyone else find the lack of a decent website annoying?
Something simple, a bit of text describing current and past activities,
and a place for new pictures to appear...
 
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Ian Stirling

Jan 1, 1970
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Baphomet said:

Oh, it's pretty, with a seventeen gigabyte flash animation with buttons
that go "ping", lots of artists impressions of atmospheric interface, ...
It's just not very informative.
For example, it could do with a timeline showing what's due to happen,
what has been confirmed as happening, what the pictures that have been
taken appear to be, ...

Just a fraction of the effort spent on developing the static website spent
on contemporaneous notes of what's happening now would be nice.

As an example, even now, there is on the main page stories that refer to
the landing in the future tense.
Going over these and updating with current events would not be hard.
 
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Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
I just heard on the news that the Spirit probe has landed on Mars!

Perhaps it landed on the non-functioning Mars Express vehicle, Beagle-2 :)

I actually worked on the design for the Mars Express mother satellite. Well,
just a subsystem anyhow, the PCDU power supply. But anyway it hurts my heart
the probe failed :-(

Cheers

Klaus
 
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Baphomet

Jan 1, 1970
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Ian Stirling said:
Oh, it's pretty, with a seventeen gigabyte flash animation with buttons
that go "ping", lots of artists impressions of atmospheric interface, ...
It's just not very informative.
For example, it could do with a timeline showing what's due to happen,
what has been confirmed as happening, what the pictures that have been
taken appear to be, ...

Just a fraction of the effort spent on developing the static website spent
on contemporaneous notes of what's happening now would be nice.

As an example, even now, there is on the main page stories that refer to
the landing in the future tense.
Going over these and updating with current events would not be hard.

My guess is that their emphasis was on the Mars Lander itself and not on
their website. Now that it has landed, they will probably have more time to
enhance the site. The majority of the coverage will probably come from T.V.
in any event.
 
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Genome

Jan 1, 1970
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Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund said:
Perhaps it landed on the non-functioning Mars Express vehicle, Beagle-2 :)

I actually worked on the design for the Mars Express mother satellite. Well,
just a subsystem anyhow, the PCDU power supply. But anyway it hurts my heart
the probe failed :-(

Cheers

Klaus

I feel suitably sad about that one as well. Perhaps the broken arrow was
Astrium's definition/imposition of 'project' management. Clueless bunch of
'working towards my pension' suits.

Mind you, I hope the grass roots folks who had to design it whilst dealing
with 'higher up shit' are not too fucked off about things. 'If you get it
wrong you get it right next time', and if you don't do it next time..... at
least you've learnt a bit more.

I think they should back off and try landing an RD250, Air cooled 2 stroke
Yamaha. The totally absolute brilliant thing about the concept is...... a
hidden can of WD40.

DNA
 
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Paul Burridge

Jan 1, 1970
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I just heard on the news that the Spirit probe has landed on Mars!

Great. Perhaps they'll be able to give the Beagle lander a jump start.
 
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Genome

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul Burridge said:
Great. Perhaps they'll be able to give the Beagle lander a jump start.
Winston Churchill


I'm sure you used to access the World Wide Wank via Tesco.net

Nuff Said?

DNA
 
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Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund

Jan 1, 1970
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Genome said:
I feel suitably sad about that one as well. Perhaps the broken arrow was
Astrium's definition/imposition of 'project' management. Clueless bunch of
'working towards my pension' suits.

Mind you, I hope the grass roots folks who had to design it whilst dealing
with 'higher up shit' are not too fucked off about things. 'If you get it
wrong you get it right next time', and if you don't do it next time..... at
least you've learnt a bit more.

I think they should back off and try landing an RD250, Air cooled 2 stroke
Yamaha. The totally absolute brilliant thing about the concept is...... a
hidden can of WD40.

We had wisits from ESA and Astrium Aerospace at major reviews on the Rosetta
project. Sometimes I was quite amazed with the knowledge of the project
manager. Handling so many subcontractors and still got the insights into our
subcircuits. Sometimes however the managers just seemed to blow of steam and
they could talk for litteraly hours about un-relevant items - but that
managers for you :)

Cheers

Klaus
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Genome said:
I feel suitably sad about that one as well. Perhaps the broken arrow was
Astrium's definition/imposition of 'project' management. Clueless bunch of
'working towards my pension' suits.

Something definitely needs to be done about the professional management
types. There was a time when management personnel were expert in most
facets of the operations of the organizations they managed, and that was
because they started out as workers in these operations. Somewhere along
the way, some pseudo-intellectuals contrived the idea that this
background was not necessary, and that all management function can be
distilled into a few guiding principles that can be applied to any type
of organization. This ideology has proven to be a horrific
F-A-I-L-U-R-E!- life is just not that simple and never will be. Like it
or not, it is NOT possible to manufacture that kind of leadership, it
can be groomed and tutored, but it CANNOT be made. The situation in the
US is extremely bad, and the national treasury will have to be in the
hole by about several Tera- billion $ before anyone wakes up.
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund
Perhaps it landed on the non-functioning Mars Express vehicle, Beagle-2 :)

I actually worked on the design for the Mars Express mother satellite. Well,
just a subsystem anyhow, the PCDU power supply. But anyway it hurts my heart
the probe failed :-(

There is a small chance that it hasn't entirely failed. Nil desperandum.
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bloggs <[email protected]>
wrote (in <[email protected]>) about 'Spirit lands on Mars!',
all management function can be distilled into a few guiding principles that can
be applied to any type of organization.

So it can. That's not the problem
This ideology has proven to be a
horrific F-A-I-L-U-R-E!-

Yes, because you have to understand *what business you are in*, in order
to understand WHEN and HOW to apply those 'universal principles of
management'.

Here is Mr Martian, who knows Maxwell's Equations (although he calls
them '12469's Equations') but doesn't know what toast is. Do you think
he can design an electric toaster?

Here is Mr Marketing, who has been hired to boost the sales of the
company's electric razors. So he starts a TV ad campaign in March.
Result? Nada. Because about 90% of electric razors are sold in December.

If you make consumer goods and your engineers come up with a cost-
saving, why do you NOT reduce list prices? Because retailers will demand
compensation for all the stock they are holding.
 
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Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund

Jan 1, 1970
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John Woodgate said:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund


There is a small chance that it hasn't entirely failed. Nil desperandum.
--

Yes, it seems they have located the likely landingsite in a giant crater,
but if thats true the survival of the probe is slim

Cheers

Klaus
 
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Roger Gt

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred Bloggs said:
Something definitely needs to be done about the professional management
types. There was a time when management personnel were expert in most
facets of the operations of the organizations they managed, and that was
because they started out as workers in these operations. Somewhere along
the way, some pseudo-intellectuals contrived the idea that this
background was not necessary, and that all management function can be
distilled into a few guiding principles that can be applied to any type
of organization. This ideology has proven to be a horrific
F-A-I-L-U-R-E!- life is just not that simple and never will be. Like it
or not, it is NOT possible to manufacture that kind of leadership, it
can be groomed and tutored, but it CANNOT be made. The situation in the
US is extremely bad, and the national treasury will have to be in the
hole by about several Tera- billion $ before anyone wakes up.

Such Insight! And a truism which repeats it's self over and over without
end.

A program I consulted on, was way behind schedule. I was to mentor less
experienced staff, and play catch-up. I was stymied at every step by
managements ego, and finally, when they realized I HAD figured out the
problem, they ended my contract for fear I would tell the customer. (Not my
job.) But also because the Manager didn't want me to succeed when she was
failing. Get this, on the verge of cancellation she has been promoted to
Manager of all engineering functions in the division. I think they are
going to close it altogether and she can go down with the ship! Blew a
154 Million dollar contract!
She has a MBA, and is not an Engineer!
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Klaus said:
Perhaps it landed on the non-functioning Mars Express vehicle, Beagle-2 :)

I actually worked on the design for the Mars Express mother satellite. Well,
just a subsystem anyhow, the PCDU power supply. But anyway it hurts my heart
the probe failed :-(

Cheers

Klaus

I worked on the telemetry receiving equipment NASA uses to
communicate with their satellites.
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred said:
Something definitely needs to be done about the professional management
types. There was a time when management personnel were expert in most
facets of the operations of the organizations they managed, and that was
because they started out as workers in these operations. Somewhere along
the way, some pseudo-intellectuals contrived the idea that this
background was not necessary, and that all management function can be
distilled into a few guiding principles that can be applied to any type
of organization. This ideology has proven to be a horrific
F-A-I-L-U-R-E!- life is just not that simple and never will be. Like it
or not, it is NOT possible to manufacture that kind of leadership, it
can be groomed and tutored, but it CANNOT be made. The situation in the
US is extremely bad, and the national treasury will have to be in the
hole by about several Tera- billion $ before anyone wakes up.

MBA = Masters of Business Annihilation. ;(

Of course, an out of date engineer can make a pretty bad manager, as
well. They don't understand any of the newer technology, or the
equipment required to build modern products.

One of the founders of Microdyne was a "consultant" and in charge of
buying test equipment. He threw a hissy fit that the test department
ordered some four channel 350 MHz Tek scopes, because "The cal lab is
full of scopes!" It was. about 20, 20 MHz dual trace Leader scopes left
over from the days when they built Satellite TV receivers for CATV head
ends and TV stations. He couldn't understand why we needed several
network analyzers to improve the quality of our products. "You can use a
spectrum analyzer, a TSS-2000 Telemetry test set, and ... like we did
thirty years ago!" He couldn't wrap his mind around the concept that our
equipment was several grades higher performance than anything he had
designed ten years before. Luckily, corporate overruled him, and we got
the equipment we needed. If we didn't get it, we would have been out of
business in a couple months.
 
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Ken Taylor

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
MBA = Masters of Business Annihilation. ;(
MBA without a 'real' degree :) certainly spells trouble. It's an add-on,
not a cure-all.

Ken
(MBA, MIEEE)
 
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Tim Auton

Jan 1, 1970
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aul Burridge said:
Great. Perhaps they'll be able to give the Beagle lander a jump start.

Lander is a good name as that's all it appears to have done :(

In 40 or 50 years when we have lots of people or good robots on Mars
we might start to find out what went wrong with all the failed Mars
surface missions (which is most of them). It must be hugely annoying
to work on a project for years and have very little idea why it
failed.

At least Mars Express is still going so I can cheer for Europe as a
whole, even if my British pride has been dented.

Kudos to NASA, that's a fine machine they've landed. Let's hope
Opportunity gets down safely too in a couple of weeks.


Tim
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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Oh, it's pretty, with a seventeen gigabyte flash animation with buttons
that go "ping", lots of artists impressions of atmospheric interface, ...
It's just not very informative.
For example, it could do with a timeline showing what's due to happen,
what has been confirmed as happening, what the pictures that have been
taken appear to be, ...[/QUOTE]

Whether the contractors did their english <--> metric conversions
this time...

I worked with a digital guy that was on the project that failed.
 
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