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  1. lerameur

    lerameur Guest

    Hello,

    I would like ot know if anyone experimented with storing voices
    digitally in a microcontroller?
    I know there are chip that create robotic voices using allophones, even
    sensory makes a speech recognition/speech at 550$ . But anyone was able
    to use a pic and store actual voices?
    If the memory inside it is binary, I guess it is a way to output the
    voice with a reasonable rate to a speakers.. I saw one web site that
    relate to that : http://www.romanblack.com/picsound.htm

    any comments ?
    also I tried getting allophone chips, they are really hard to get.
    Digikey ? did not see any

    thank you

    ken
     
  2. Johnny Boy

    Johnny Boy Guest

    A PIC isn't suitable - not enough storage space. Check out voice
    recorder chips such as the ISD 2500 series. e.g. ISD2560, or the APR9301.
    You can then use a PIC to control the voice chip.
    I bought some ISD2560s from RS electronics a couple of years ago.
    They're not cheap, but they work reasonably well.
    .... Johnny
     
  3. feebo

    feebo Guest

    main problem with this is storage.

    Pics have only a few K of register storage at absolute best. You would
    need to do one of two things:

    A. forget this and go for a custom vox recorder chip - they are quite
    good and not terribly expensive.

    B. augment the storage on the pic. If you have pre-recorded sounds,
    you could bung them in an I2C rom and play them back using the D2A of
    a pic, but again the storage capacity is not great - also, getting the
    data at a good rate might be an issue. One alternative (that I have
    used with good results) is to mimic the conventional bus of a CPU and
    drive the A & D buses from ports and the CS & R/W line from another.
    this gives you bags of store for eithr RAM or EPROM based sounds at a
    good speed. If you take this approach, you might find it easier to
    have a general 8 bit bus (say) and you can use this for other things
    as well by correctly setting the control of the peripheral chips so
    they play nice - i.e. if you have an LCD display, it can share the 8
    bit bus with your EPROM (and anything else) by just making sure you
    don't leave them with outputs active when not in use.

    My application (a 4Mb augment for data capture) used an eight bit bus
    and a load of latches to set the addresses and the same bus for data
    transfer from keypad, LCD & RAM. It doesn't use a lot of port bits,
    and I think 2 full 8 bit ports did everything... (think so ... could
    be wrong it was a while back)
     
  4. Chris

    Chris Guest

    Johnny's got a great idea. The ISD "Chipcorder" ICs are perfect with a
    PIC. ISD was bought out by Winbond. If you can read a datasheet, you
    can make it happen.

    http://www.isd.com/
    http://www.winbond-usa.com/mambo/content/view/36/140/

    These ICs are sold by DigiKey, among others. Just pick out the one you
    want based on your recording/playback time needs.

    http://www.digikey.com

    A little pricey, but well worth it if you just want to git r done. You
    could do worse than start out with the ISD4003.

    Good luck
    Chris
     
  5. Johnny Boy

    Johnny Boy Guest

    Thanks for the vote of confidence, Chris. My project was an animated,
    trailer-mounted, model of a waste recycling facility for a local council,
    with the purpose of educating school-kids. The model was divided into 8
    sections, with a small control panel and a pushbutton related to each
    section. When a button was pressed, the relevant section would come into
    action, with a short narration. I built this in association with a local
    sculptor, who built the basic lanscape. We had stuff like miniature
    conveyors loading trucks, a garbage compactor that moved backwards and
    forwards, LED-lit pipelines that gave the impression of liduid movement in
    the required direction, etc. It was a fun project.
    .... Johnny
     
  6. It might have been cost effective to buy 8 of those voice / picture frames
    from Radio Shack and use those. Zero development time.
     
  7. Jamie

    Jamie Guest

    pic it self does not have enough storage for that how ever,
    you can use an external Serial Eprom and use the pic to access the
    address points.
     
  8. Johnny Boy

    Johnny Boy Guest

    No Radio Shack here. Still, "voice / picture frames", never heard of them.
    How long have they been available? Something like that would have cut the
    development time of the audio section. Can they store 60 seconds of speech?
    .... Johnny
     
  9. http://www.radioshack.com/product/i...rame&kw=voice+picture+frame&parentPage=search

    Display your precious moments in style.
    Preserve memories with both a photograph and a recorded message!
    Leather-like frame holds two 5x7" photographs and complements any decor.
    Plus, you can record two 5-second recordings for each photo. To play back
    the messages, simply touch the photo.
    Holds two 5x7" photographs
    Voice recorder saves two 5-second messages for each photo
    Play back messages by touching the picture
    AAA Batteries (4)
     
  10. Johnny Boy

    Johnny Boy Guest

    Wouldn't have done what I wanted, but interesting nonetheless.
    Also, I guess I shouldn't have said "No Radio Shack here", now that we have
    this newfangled thing called the web.

    .... Johnny
     
  11. It depends on where 'here' is. Although the Shack has been subsumed by other
    companies outside of the USA the old name is still often used.
     
  12. Johnny Boy

    Johnny Boy Guest

    "Here" is Australia. They might well exist somewhere in this country, but
    not where I'm living, on the South Coast of NSW.
    .... Johnny
     
  13. Dick Smiths?
     
  14. No.

    Here in Canada, there was a division of Radio Shack starting about
    1970. About twenty years ago, that was spun off into a standalone company.
    But it had the right to use the Radio Shack name, and sell the products.

    Then a few years ago, the company here was bought by Circuit City. They
    ran it for a while, but Radio Shack in the US didn't like that, given
    that Circuit City is a competitor down there. It took CIrcuit City to
    court, and won, so Circuit CIty could no longer be Radio Shack in Canada.

    Circuit CIty rebrands the stores "The Source" and clears out the items
    with Radio Shack or the RS house names on it. Which actually was
    easier given that they had been coming out with their own brands here
    in Canada for a while, and had added well known brands to the flyers
    and catalogs.

    But since the locals stores haven't generally changed location, we
    can still shop at stores that used to be Radio Shacks, and thus it's
    easy to refer to them as Radio Shacks out of habit.

    On the other hand, with nobody using the name "Radio Shack" here in Canada,
    the field is open for Radio Shack to move in. ANd while it's not clear
    how things are going, they've done that, opening a few stores in the Toronto
    area.

    Kind of like almost forty years ago, when Radio Shack made its first entrance
    into Canada with a handful of stores, in the Toronto area.

    Michael
     
  15. I'm not going to call it "The Source by Circuit City". Same stores, same
    staff, almost the same products.
     
  16. Johnny Boy

    Johnny Boy Guest

    Yeah, there's a local Dick Smith franchisee here. They might stock these
    things. Still, the project was completed several years ago, probably before
    they were made. Also, to get the required 8 x 60 seconds, I would have
    needed to buy 48 of them, pull them apart and link them together in groups
    of 6. US$10 equates to about AU$13.30, so the cost would have been about
    AU$640. I think, from memory, that the ISD chips cost me less at the time
    and were easy to use, with reasonable quality sound.
    .... Johnny
     
  17. No, if you want more than 5 seconds don't use these. I'm sure you can get
    what you want from a dealer in Sydney or Melbourne.
     
  18. Johnny Boy

    Johnny Boy Guest

    I don't want anything - I was describing an old project that I completed
    years ago
    .... Johnny
     
  19. Digikey have a complete text-to-speech chip, the WTS701 by Winbond:
    http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=10913&Site=US&Cat=32572627

    Dave :)
     
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