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  1. Vexator

    Vexator Guest

    Hello,
    I would have a question about speakers' cable.

    Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
    expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think the
    simple electric wire is same.

    I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
    others? What do you think about that?

    have a nice day
     
  2. CFoley1064

    CFoley1064 Guest

    Subject: speakers' cable
    Hmmmn. Vexator is described in latin as "one who distresses, a troubler,
    harasser, vexer" (Lewis & Short). Does this have meaning?

    16 gauge zip cord from the hardware store will do as well as "Monster Cable"
    for any speaker made for home use.

    There is no non-trivial _measurable_ difference between regular copper wire and
    "oxygen-free" "Monster Cable" for transmitting audio frequency power to
    speakers, as long as the wire gauges are the same size. This is true using any
    electronic instrument to make the measurement. And in all true "double-blind"
    tests (swapping all other components as well as the speaker wire on a random
    basis) of any significant sample size, there is no "non-measurable" audible
    difference as determined by "golden ears".

    Of course, audiophiles are free to make up their own minds, without the aid of
    science or engineering. The purpose of listening to music is to obtain a
    pleasurable experience, which is inherently subjective. Someone's listening
    experience may be enhanced by the subjective satisfaction of knowing they spent
    $100+ USD on speaker cables. Then, in fact, the mystical power of conspicuous
    consumption is an improvement for them. Just don't call it measurable and
    don't call it science.

    Chris
     
  3. Ban

    Ban Guest

    1. Vexator

    Much like an annoying rash that won't go away unless surgically removed.
    Generally someone who resorts to the "I know you are but what am I" type of
    reply when they're feeling even slightly threatened. The Vexator being
    insecure about his manhood usually brags about his car and likes to party
    with his common loser friends who also don't have girlfriends.

    Somebody should just shoot that poor Vexator and put him out of his
    misery.

    Source: StingRay, Mar 28, 2004


    I think it's one of those internet games figures. But the OP might know it
    better, especially as he seems fluent in Latin.
    I agree with Chris. Someone on rec.audio.high-end has put a couple of
    thousand $ up in case you are able to distiguish between a RS-style
    zip-chord and any high-end cable in a double blind test. This challenge has
    been up for a couple of years already, but AFAIK nobody even tried yet.
    Maybe the vexator could train at home already, without girl-friend he should
    have some time at disposition.
     
  4. Vexator

    Vexator Guest

    Ban, thank you very much for your technical reply.

    My manhood is right, my girlfriend is beautiful.... But your life, what is?
    I think it's poor, otherwise you would not waste your time to write that
    bosh! If you've a problem I knon a good psychiatrist!

    Thanks very much again and you always help me with your wisdom, and excuse
    me for my little penis.

    Have a good day Ben
     
  5. Ban

    Ban Guest

    hey,
    I just copied the second page that came up in Google
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Vexator

    seems it has triggered you quite well. If you choose a name like this for
    yourself, you should know the meaning apart from the personality of the
    computer game, which you identify with.
    :)))
    ciao Ban
     
  6. Dbowey

    Dbowey Guest

    Vexator posted:

    << I would have a question about speakers' cable.

    Many people (not only sellers) are convinced that with a special (and very
    expensive) speakers' cable they get a "sound" better, many others think the
    simple electric wire is same.

    I wonder that's suggestion, or is truth? Are there cables better then
    others? What do you think about that?
    They are all gimmicks designed to do nothing other than to relieve you of your
    money.

    However.........

    There is one thing you can do to reduce the potential for strong RF signals
    being received on your speaker cables; tightly twist each two-wire speaker
    cable through its length.

    Don
     
  7. Vexator

    Vexator Guest

    yep! Now I understand! Sorry Ban, I've been hard with you. Again, I had not
    understood.

    I don't know many slang words. :)

    Ciao!
     
  8. Vexator

    Vexator Guest

    thanks for reply,
    Here we say: "furto senza passamontagna".... namely: "robbery without
    balaclava".

    ciao
     
  9. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    Are [their] cables better [than] others?
    No. Use the fattest copper wire you have available
    which is also flexible enough for the application.
    At the least this will stand a lower chance of being broken.
    If you are running long distances, fatter is definately better.
    Any other wire characteristics for audio frequency is nonsense.

    :Of course, audiophiles are free to make up their own minds,
    :without the aid of science or engineering.
    : Chris Foley
    :
    As happens all the time. :cool:
     
  10. John Fields

    John Fields Guest

     
  11. andy

    andy Guest

    can you get cable made with an 8 ohm characteristic impedance?
     
  12. John Fields

    John Fields Guest

     
  13. John Larkin

    John Larkin Guest


    12/2 romex. Can't be beat.

    John
     
  14. andy

    andy Guest

    I was wondering about whether I could make my fortune trying to kid
    audiophiles that it made a difference to their sound quality, that's all.
     
  15. John Fields

    John Fields Guest

    ---
    Sure; it's easy.

    All you have to do is come up with some authoritative sounding
    techno-babble liberally sprinkled with musical-sounding crap:

    "By soft-drawing the multiplicity of oxygen-free high-conductivity
    copper strands before silver plating them and laying them up as
    cables, the cubic crystallinity of the copper grains is disrupted,
    allowing the signal to make a more graceful transit between the
    amplifier and the speaker. This will result in a more accurate
    presentation of the program material on the sound stage with none of
    the harshness associated with granular copper stranding."

    And on and on...
     
  16. Bob Myers

    Bob Myers Guest

    But why in the world would you WANT such
    a thing?

    Bob M.
     
  17. krw

    krw Guest

    I thought John Fields answered that question rather well.
     
  18. Ken

    Ken Guest

    0 Ohm in the cable is always best.
     
  19. John Fields

    John Fields Guest

     
  20. Ken

    Ken Guest

    Almost, but they are VERY expensive and thick.
     
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