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Evan

Jan 1, 1970
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I'd like to have a speaker act as a microphone while simultaneously
producing sound. The microphone should not record any of the sound it
produces. Can this be accomplished with processing similar to noise
reduction headphones followed by amplification?
 
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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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Evan said:
I'd like to have a speaker act as a microphone while simultaneously
producing sound. The microphone should not record any of the sound it
produces. Can this be accomplished with processing similar to noise
reduction headphones followed by amplification?

I'd hesitate to say that this is impossible, but with volts driving the
speaker it'd be very difficult to accurately sense the millivolts of
signal that you wanted to listen to. If it can be done at all you would
need to know some pretty heavy DSP for the adaptive filter, you'd have
to plan on spending man-months, and you wouldn't get good audio quality
when you're done.

So don't think you can throw it together in a weekend, but go for it if
you really want to.
 
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Adrian Jansen

Jan 1, 1970
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At first thought it should be relatively easy. Just an opamp with the
inverting input fed from the same signal used to drive the speaker, then the
output will be the difference between the inputs. You need some resistance
in the speaker drive line, to let the voltage developed by the speaker be
detectable by the opamp.

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Regards,

Adrian Jansen
J & K MicroSystems
Microcomputer solutions for industrial control
 
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Ban

Jan 1, 1970
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Tim said:
I'd hesitate to say that this is impossible, but with volts driving
the speaker it'd be very difficult to accurately sense the millivolts
of signal that you wanted to listen to. If it can be done at all you
would need to know some pretty heavy DSP for the adaptive filter,
you'd have to plan on spending man-months, and you wouldn't get good
audio quality when you're done.

So don't think you can throw it together in a weekend, but go for it
if you really want to.

What you mainly get is the back EMF at resonance frequency, where the
efficiency of the speaker is highest.
Imagine the normal 0.1 to 1% efficiency will give you a very small signal.
Compared to the driving signal it will be 60 to 80dB smaller(depending on
the radiating area) plus needs to be filtered with a notch filter because of
the mentioned fundamental resonance. Any irregularity in speaker impedance
will be magnified by the same amount, so the result will be sounding awful,
even if you manage to get something out at all. The sensing resistor in the
speaker feed will eat up on amplifier power and modify low frequency
response.
With a small microphone without the irregularities of the speaker impedance
it will still be difficult to eliminate the direct speaker signal and get a
useful output if it is near the driving speaker. Since the sound pressure
level doubles every half of the distance it is *much* higher near the
transmitter. So I would start with this challenge. And it would be mostly
the room reflections what you get, which still have to be eliminated.
Remember the sound when somebody uses these "hands-free" phones?
 
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Bill Bailley

Jan 1, 1970
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Evan said:
I'd like to have a speaker act as a microphone while simultaneously
producing sound. The microphone should not record any of the sound it
produces. Can this be accomplished with processing similar to noise
reduction headphones followed by amplification?

Fergedaboutit.

Bill.
 
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