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Oldish sod
- Jan 1, 1970
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H. E. Taylor said:
This must be the way forward, surely?
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Spain makes solar panels mandatory in new buildings
This must be the way forward, surely?
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Robert Morien
- Jan 1, 1970
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Oldish sod said:
What I notice about this post is the reason that "news" didn't post the
link to it: it doesn't talk about PV at all. Now it makes sense why he
wants to use air tanks as storage...they'd work pretty good storing all
that hot water, much better than batteries.
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William P.N. Smith
- Jan 1, 1970
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H. E. Taylor said:
Well, solar thermal probably isn't a bad idea, though I dunno about
mandating it. You are sure to get lots of shoddy, poorly installed
and maintained product failing early and making a lot of detractors...
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H. E. Taylor
- Jan 1, 1970
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2004/11/09: Times(UK): Spain makes solar panels mandatory in new buildings
SPAIN wants to take advantage of its sunshine by making solar panels
compulsory in new and renovated buildings — to save fuel costs and to
improve the environment.
Jose Montilla, the Industry Minister, has announced that from next year,
anyone who intends to build a home will be obliged to include solar panels
in their plans, with the aim of turning Spain from a straggler to a
European leader in the use of renewable energy.
With the price of oil rising above $50 a barrel (£27), solar energy could
produce savings of at least €80 (£50) a year on fuel to heat domestic
water supplies per household, and reduce greenhouse gases, the Government
said.
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<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1350946,00.html>
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SPAIN wants to take advantage of its sunshine by making solar panels
compulsory in new and renovated buildings — to save fuel costs and to
improve the environment.
Jose Montilla, the Industry Minister, has announced that from next year,
anyone who intends to build a home will be obliged to include solar panels
in their plans, with the aim of turning Spain from a straggler to a
European leader in the use of renewable energy.
With the price of oil rising above $50 a barrel (£27), solar energy could
produce savings of at least €80 (£50) a year on fuel to heat domestic
water supplies per household, and reduce greenhouse gases, the Government
said.
[...]
<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1350946,00.html>
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Thomas Lee Elifritz
- Jan 1, 1970
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N9WOS
- Jan 1, 1970
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From the article......
But does mean that the home owners actually have to use them?
But just because they are installed doesn't mean they are being used.
Or are they going to have energy police running around
and busting in the doors and dragging the owners out into
the street because they have a non functional solar water heating system?
It reminds me of when they had the solar water heating fad around here.
A lot of people put the things on their roof.
No one forced them to, but all the hype had everyone energized.
Result.........
After a few years, most of them were non functional.
I can't even think of one home that still has one on it around here.
If there was a requirement for them, they would still be on the houses
around here,
But they would be only for looks, because none of them would be working.
(raises eyebrow....)
But does mean that the home owners actually have to use them?
But just because they are installed doesn't mean they are being used.
Or are they going to have energy police running around
and busting in the doors and dragging the owners out into
the street because they have a non functional solar water heating system?
It reminds me of when they had the solar water heating fad around here.
A lot of people put the things on their roof.
No one forced them to, but all the hype had everyone energized.
Result.........
After a few years, most of them were non functional.
I can't even think of one home that still has one on it around here.
If there was a requirement for them, they would still be on the houses
around here,
But they would be only for looks, because none of them would be working.
(raises eyebrow....)
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Gymmy Bob
- Jan 1, 1970
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That's just silly. We have mandated standards for wiring and that doesn't
make the product shoddy in any respect. What makes it shoddy is the
capitalist way of business.
make the product shoddy in any respect. What makes it shoddy is the
capitalist way of business.
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Thomas Lee Elifritz
- Jan 1, 1970
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N9WOS
- Jan 1, 1970
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Thomas Lee Elifritz said:
So the angry, elitist, gift to the world, know all.... plonked me.
Should I be sad... Heck no!... I think I will pop the top on a pepsi and
celebrate.
With all the people he plonks.. I wonder if he has anything to read.
K
Karl Johanson
- Jan 1, 1970
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N9WOS said:
He claims to plonk people, then replies to their posts. It would be
disappointing if I'd ever thought his word meant anything. I think he's
still mad cuz Biospere II got so much news coverage, while everyone
ignores the greenhouse in his backyard.
Karl Johanson
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Steve Spence
- Jan 1, 1970
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Actually, plonk is just a word he uses when he disagrees with someone
(which is everyone). Since he usually replies to that person a few days
later, I doubt he has figured out what it really means. Kids ......
(which is everyone). Since he usually replies to that person a few days
later, I doubt he has figured out what it really means. Kids ......
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Thomas Lee Elifritz
- Jan 1, 1970
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November 11, 2004
a few clicks away in Thunderbird.
I still have to hand build my files in Netscape, and deal with all the
crossposting.
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Steve said:
a few clicks away in Thunderbird.
I still have to hand build my files in Netscape, and deal with all the
crossposting.
<plonk>
Thomas Lee Elifritz
http://elifritz.members.atlantic.net
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N9WOS
- Jan 1, 1970
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Our panels corroded but we had a stainless tank and simply replaced
The problem around here was climate, and a general lack of common sense.
They never lasted long enough to corrode.
The climate problem is the fact that it's the state of Indiana, and gets
down to
-10 F or lower for long periods of time during some winters.
The common sense problem was that people fell for the hype and bought them,
and they were not able to see the primary difficulty in putting a box full
of water
filled pipes out in subfreezing weather.
Some had systems to drain the water during the winter.
But the systems were not 100% effective, and it would
sometimes leave enough water in the panel to bust it open.
Other systems had continuous flow.
The water pump would be left on and continuously pump
water from the internal holding take during the nights.
Even though it did waste some energy in the nights, it didn't freeze..
Until.....
Well.. Until there was a power outage in the middle
of a subzero (on the F scale) night.
No power to run the pump....
The solar water heater then becomes a solar ice heater....
In the day, you had a ice shelf hanging off the side of the house.
I never seen anyone that was trying to sell a dual loop system.
But if one was going to go with solar water heating around here,
they would need a working fluid that would be unfreezable down to -20F.
That way, you could shut off the pump for the cold times, without anything
freezing.
And during the hot sunny days, turn the pump on and transfer the heat to the
water
in the holding tank.
The problem around here was climate, and a general lack of common sense.
They never lasted long enough to corrode.
The climate problem is the fact that it's the state of Indiana, and gets
down to
-10 F or lower for long periods of time during some winters.
The common sense problem was that people fell for the hype and bought them,
and they were not able to see the primary difficulty in putting a box full
of water
filled pipes out in subfreezing weather.
Some had systems to drain the water during the winter.
But the systems were not 100% effective, and it would
sometimes leave enough water in the panel to bust it open.
Other systems had continuous flow.
The water pump would be left on and continuously pump
water from the internal holding take during the nights.
Even though it did waste some energy in the nights, it didn't freeze..
Until.....
Well.. Until there was a power outage in the middle
of a subzero (on the F scale) night.
No power to run the pump....
The solar water heater then becomes a solar ice heater....
In the day, you had a ice shelf hanging off the side of the house.
I never seen anyone that was trying to sell a dual loop system.
But if one was going to go with solar water heating around here,
they would need a working fluid that would be unfreezable down to -20F.
That way, you could shut off the pump for the cold times, without anything
freezing.
And during the hot sunny days, turn the pump on and transfer the heat to the
water
in the holding tank.
W
William P.N. Smith
- Jan 1, 1970
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Gymmy Bob said:
It sure worked that way in the US with solar thermal [tax breaks].
Sorry, I thought Spain was a capitalist country. 8*)
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[email protected]
- Jan 1, 1970
- 0
N9WOS said:
You might say the same about automobiles
Nick
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