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Mark Harriss

Jan 1, 1970
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Damien said:
Take a look at the OP, it's clearly about a timber laptop case

Yes... but, this is all in reply to the real andy's assertion that
any type of dry wood will not conduct lightning.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Damien McBain said:
Rod Speed wrote
Take a look at the OP, it's clearly about a timber laptop case

Completely irrelevant to what the thread diverged to, LIGHTNING,
and what we chose to comment on with LIGHTNING.

Do TRY to keep up.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Damien McBain said:
Mark Harriss wrote
Maybe the wires got hot and burnt the rubber?

Unlikely with that sort of voltage on them.

The best insulation for that sort of voltage
is one of the thicker coaxs like RG8
 
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Mark Harriss

Jan 1, 1970
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Rod said:
Unlikely with that sort of voltage on them.

The best insulation for that sort of voltage
is one of the thicker coaxs like RG8


I'm on the lookout for x-ray cable if anyone has some
lying around the place.
 
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McGrath

Jan 1, 1970
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Rod Speed said:
AFTER the thread had clearly diverted to the more general
question of whether lightning can indeed be conducted by dry wood.

Dry wood was only part of the tread in relation to a laptop case - in which
case the wood is not a good conductor. The thread diverged to the Geelong
incident, where the wood was wet and water was the main conductor - again
not the wood conducting.

There was never mention of dry wood.
Its obvious from the quoting that you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting where that came from.

Or maybe the 'flagrantly dishonest' poster is indeed yourself :)
Lying, again.

No lies, just the truth - hence why I've cut the thread again.
Wrong, as always. It has everything to do
with the claims made at the top of the quoting.

Again, dry wood as a conductor was only part of the thread in relation to
laptop cases - where it's use as a conductor is non existant. Please do try
and keep up.
Originally is completely irrelevant. I chose to comment on
your stupid pig ignorant claims about wood and lightning.

But wood in this discussion was wet - not dry. There was never any mention
of dry wood.
Its clear that lightning was being discussed in the
quoting you keep flagrantly dishonestly deleting.

Yep, lightning in relation to *wet* wood - as was the case in the Geelong
incident. Again there was no mention of dry wood - except for use in the
laptop case.
And that is just plain wrong with dry wood and lightning.

Which is irrelevent to every part of this thread as the wood was *wet* - not
dry.
Plucked it from your arse basically.

Or, as the case indeed it, from the thread.
What you replied to was the general statement, stupid.

But there was no general statement. It's simple really - laptop case: dry
wood, not a good conductor. Geelong: wet wood, water was the conductor.

So where does dry wood and lightning come into this?

If there was no need I wouldn't be posting again on this topic.
I wasnt the first one to say, that, MC was.

But you *continue* to say that - which is what I said and which is
irrelevant to this thread.
Wrong, as always. Hariss made that general
claim which is clearly just plain wrong.

As you posted that wood is doing the conducting. It's not - the water is.
No I didnt. You cant quote the post where I said that, because I didnt.

Try here:
"> Its not the wood thats doing the conducting.
Yes it is."

I think that is fairly clear.
No I didnt, I never ever mentioned Geelong at all.

You agreed with the statement.

No need, someone else said both of those.

Both of which you agreed with.

Nope, just plain wrong when stated as baldly as that.

It can't be wrong if it's a direct quote from this thread.

Pity the thread had diverged to a more
general claim about wood and lightning

You get to like that or lump it.

I don't wish to sound arrogant, but maybe you should take your own advice.

Pity it can be with lightning.

Pity in this thread the wood that was struck by lightning was wet.
 
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Clockmeister

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark Harriss said:
The wires were attached to the ends of the 60cm length of rubber tube
which was used to space the wires out as they were not rated for HV.
The voltage was able to breakdown the 1000V rated insulation and cause
enough flow across the rubber to make it start crackling and popping
with lots of smoke.

Rubber conducts rather well if it has a high carbon content. Try putting a
multimeter across a rubber tyre and measure the resistance.
 
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Clockmeister

Jan 1, 1970
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Colin ® said:
Someone posted ----


Those figures show that wood exposed to 80% humidity at 22C for a period
of 72 hours is more conductive than the same wood after only 24 hours.

The wood is absorbing moisture so it conducts better - the fibreglass does
also but not to the same extent.

The conclusion is that the water in the wood is doing the conducting.

Now, whose argument does that support, if anyones ?


All it shows is that Rod is wrong, again.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Dry wood was only part of the tread in relation to a laptop case

The laptop case was completely irrelevant once the
thread had diverged to discuss lightning and wood.
- in which case the wood is not a good conductor.

The laptop case was completely irrelevant once the
thread had diverged to discuss lightning and wood.
The thread diverged to the Geelong incident,

Wrong again, that came later than what is quoted above.
where the wood was wet

Wrong again, it wasnt wet.
and water was the main conductor

Wrong again, there was no water.
- again not the wood conducting.

Wrong, as always.
There was never mention of dry wood.

Lying, again. Read the quoting you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting and I keep restoring.
Or maybe the 'flagrantly dishonest' poster is indeed yourself :)

Lying, again. Read the quoting you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting and I keep restoring.
No lies, just the truth

Lying, again.
- hence why I've cut the thread again.

You flagrant dishonesty fools absolutely no one at all.
Again, dry wood as a conductor was only
part of the thread in relation to laptop cases

Again, the laptop case was completely irrelevant once
the thread had diverged to discuss lightning and wood.
- where it's use as a conductor is non existant.

Again, the laptop case was completely irrelevant once
the thread had diverged to discuss lightning and wood.
Please do try and keep up.

Couldnt bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag...
But wood in this discussion was wet - not dry.

Lying, again.
There was never any mention of dry wood.

Lying, again. There clearly is in the quoting you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting from the quoting and I keep restoring.
Yep, lightning in relation to *wet* wood

Lying, again.
- as was the case in the Geelong incident.

Lying, again. And that was a separate sub thread anyway.
Again there was no mention of dry wood

Lying, again. There clearly is in the quoting you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting from the quoting and I keep restoring.
- except for use in the laptop case.

Lying, again. There clearly is in the quoting you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting from the quoting and I keep restoring.
Nothing to do with any laptop, everything to do with lightning.
Which is irrelevent to every part of this
thread as the wood was *wet* - not dry.

Lying, as always. YOU made the stupid pig ignorant claim
that dry wood is always an insulator, never a conductor.
Or, as the case indeed it, from the thread.

Lying, as always. YOU made the stupid pig ignorant claim
that dry wood is always an insulator, never a conductor.
But there was no general statement.

Lying, as always.
It's simple really - laptop case: dry wood, not a good conductor.

Again, the laptop case was completely irrelevant once
the thread had diverged to discuss lightning and wood.
Geelong: wet wood, water was the conductor.

Wrong, as always. And that was a separate sub thread anyway.
So where does dry wood and lightning come into this?

Reread the quoting that you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting and I keep reposting.
If there was no need I wouldn't be posting again on this topic.

Lying, as always.
But you *continue* to say that

Because you keep denying it, cretin.
- which is what I said and which is irrelevant to this thread.

And you clearly lied, as proven by the quoting that you
keep flagrantly dishonestly deleting and I keep restoring.
As you posted that wood is doing the conducting. It's not - the water is.

Wrong as always. Wood still conducts when there is no water, fuckwit.

Just like any insulator does when the voltage is high enough.
Try here:
"> Its not the wood thats doing the conducting.
Yes it is."

Nothing to do with any laptop or any grounding.

As should be obvious to even someone as stupid as you by the quoting
that you keep flagrantly dishonestly deleting and I keep restoring.
I think that is fairly clear.

Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.

Or even being able to bullshit or lie your way out of a wet paper bag either.
You agreed with the statement.

Wrong again, I didnt even commment Geelong at all.
Both of which you agreed with.

Lying, again. I didnt even comment on either statement.
It can't be wrong if it's a direct quote from this thread.

THE STATEMENT is wrong, fuckwit.
I don't wish to sound arrogant,

You just sound like a fool.
but maybe you should take your own advice.

No need, you have always been just plain
wrong and a pathological liar to boot.
Pity in this thread the wood that was struck by lightning was wet.

Lying, as always.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark Harriss said:
I'm on the lookout for x-ray cable if anyone has some
lying around the place.

RG8 is fine, I ran quite a bit more than 50KV thru that fine.
 
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Mark Harriss

Jan 1, 1970
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Rod said:
RG8 is fine, I ran quite a bit more than 50KV thru that fine.


I bought about 20 metres of RG8 on a cable drum from the
recycle shop for $5....then gave it to a mate for free,
it amazing what eventually would come in handy.

Was the braid earthed at that voltage?
 
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Mark Harriss

Jan 1, 1970
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From what I can see Rod, these clowns have the same grip on
reality as a UN weapons inspector, you can post data showing
dry wood current flow figures and still they want to argue
their way out.

Insulation is relative, which was the point I made, but they
still want to argue about voltage levels, moisture contents
and change the rules or shift the goalpost.

DRY, WET OR DIPPED IN SOY SAUCE, WOOD IS A CONDUCTOR TO
LIGHTNING LEVEL VOLTAGES....GET OVER IT YOU STUPID FLAT EARTH
PIG IGNORANT FUCKS.
 
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Patrick Turner

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark said:
From what I can see Rod, these clowns have the same grip on
reality as a UN weapons inspector, you can post data showing
dry wood current flow figures and still they want to argue
their way out.

Insulation is relative, which was the point I made, but they
still want to argue about voltage levels, moisture contents
and change the rules or shift the goalpost.

DRY, WET OR DIPPED IN SOY SAUCE, WOOD IS A CONDUCTOR TO
LIGHTNING LEVEL VOLTAGES....GET OVER IT YOU STUPID FLAT EARTH
PIG IGNORANT FUCKS.

OK mark, no need to shout, they wood get the message if they wood read
ordinary lower case typing woodent they surely now?

In a tubed preamp I have used wooden terminal strips made of dry
jarrah, and when prodding between
metal screws in the wood only 10mm apart the resistance was well over
what my DVM could read.

But if the wood ever cop a soaking from being flooded in a
Katrina event, then the amp wood need drying out well before use
although the
polyurethane coating I have painted on wood keep the problems to a
minimum.

Lightning strikes might affect the item slightly; and perhaps zap the
fragile
input fet but only tickle the tubes unless the lightning strike was
directly
to the input terminal, which is unlikely.

Wooden boards for radios were used in the 1920s, and what fine rugged
radios those old bangers were,
since many are still being used in the outback of Oz.

Patrick Turner.
 
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Clockmeister

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark Harriss said:
From what I can see Rod, these clowns have the same grip on
reality as a UN weapons inspector, you can post data showing
dry wood current flow figures and still they want to argue
their way out.

Insulation is relative, which was the point I made, but they
still want to argue about voltage levels, moisture contents
and change the rules or shift the goalpost.

DRY, WET OR DIPPED IN SOY SAUCE, WOOD IS A CONDUCTOR TO
LIGHTNING LEVEL VOLTAGES....GET OVER IT YOU STUPID FLAT EARTH
PIG IGNORANT FUCKS.

You want to make a blanket statement and cut out all the variables, well
that is fine but it also makes you wrong.
 
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Damien McBain

Jan 1, 1970
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Rod Speed committed to the eternal aether...:
The laptop case was completely irrelevant once the
thread had diverged to discuss lightning and wood.


The laptop case was completely irrelevant once the
thread had diverged to discuss lightning and wood.


Wrong again, that came later than what is quoted above.


Wrong again, it wasnt wet.


Wrong again, there was no water.


Wrong, as always.


Lying, again. Read the quoting you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting and I keep restoring.



Lying, again. Read the quoting you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting and I keep restoring.



Lying, again.


You flagrant dishonesty fools absolutely no one at all.



Again, the laptop case was completely irrelevant once
the thread had diverged to discuss lightning and wood.


Again, the laptop case was completely irrelevant once
the thread had diverged to discuss lightning and wood.


Couldnt bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag...



Lying, again.


Lying, again. There clearly is in the quoting you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting from the quoting and I keep restoring.



Lying, again.


Lying, again. And that was a separate sub thread anyway.


Lying, again. There clearly is in the quoting you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting from the quoting and I keep restoring.


Lying, again. There clearly is in the quoting you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting from the quoting and I keep restoring.
Nothing to do with any laptop, everything to do with lightning.



Lying, as always. YOU made the stupid pig ignorant claim
that dry wood is always an insulator, never a conductor.



Lying, as always. YOU made the stupid pig ignorant claim
that dry wood is always an insulator, never a conductor.



Lying, as always.


Again, the laptop case was completely irrelevant once
the thread had diverged to discuss lightning and wood.


Wrong, as always. And that was a separate sub thread anyway.


Reread the quoting that you keep flagrantly
dishonestly deleting and I keep reposting.



Lying, as always.



Because you keep denying it, cretin.


And you clearly lied, as proven by the quoting that you
keep flagrantly dishonestly deleting and I keep restoring.



Wrong as always. Wood still conducts when there is no water, fuckwit.

Just like any insulator does when the voltage is high enough.



Nothing to do with any laptop or any grounding.

As should be obvious to even someone as stupid as you by the quoting
that you keep flagrantly dishonestly deleting and I keep restoring.


Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.

Or even being able to bullshit or lie your way out of a wet paper bag either.



Wrong again, I didnt even commment Geelong at all.



Lying, again. I didnt even comment on either statement.



THE STATEMENT is wrong, fuckwit.



You just sound like a fool.


No need, you have always been just plain
wrong and a pathological liar to boot.



Lying, as always.

ffs, no wonder people think you're a bot with those brainless repetitive
interjections.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark Harriss said:
From what I can see Rod, these clowns have the same grip on reality as a UN
weapons inspector, you can post data showing dry wood current flow figures and
still they want to argue their way out.

Yep, just as stupid.

He's actually desperately attempting to bullshit his way
out of his predicament now and aint fooling anyone at all.
Insulation is relative, which was the point I made, but they still want to
argue about voltage levels, moisture contents and change the rules or shift
the goalpost.

Yep, the original pig ignorant claim that it aint the wood
that is conducting is just plain pig ignorant and wrong.
In some situations it is indeed what is conducting.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Patrick Turner said:
OK mark, no need to shout, they wood get the message if they wood read
ordinary lower case typing woodent they surely now?

In a tubed preamp I have used wooden terminal strips made of dry
jarrah, and when prodding between
metal screws in the wood only 10mm apart the resistance was well over
what my DVM could read.

But if the wood ever cop a soaking from being flooded in a
Katrina event, then the amp wood need drying out well before use
although the
polyurethane coating I have painted on wood keep the problems to a
minimum.

Lightning strikes might affect the item slightly; and perhaps zap the
fragile
input fet but only tickle the tubes unless the lightning strike was
directly
to the input terminal, which is unlikely.

Wooden boards for radios were used in the 1920s, and what fine rugged
radios those old bangers were,
since many are still being used in the outback of Oz.

Sweet **** all are, actually.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Some drunken fuckwit claiming to be
puerile shit thats always pouring from the back of it.
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark Harriss said:
I bought about 20 metres of RG8 on a cable drum from the
recycle shop for $5....then gave it to a mate for free,
it amazing what eventually would come in handy.
Was the braid earthed at that voltage?

Better to get rid of the jacket and the braid at the higher voltages.
 
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Colin ®

Jan 1, 1970
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Patrick Turner said:
Wooden boards for radios were used in the 1920s, and what fine rugged
radios those old bangers were,
since many are still being used in the outback of Oz.


Hence the term 'breadboard' for a quick knock-up of a design.

Takes me back to the good old days when a stray finger could encounter 300V
of plate voltage instead of a pissy 5V.
 
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Mark Harriss

Jan 1, 1970
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Patrick said:
OK mark, no need to shout, they wood get the message if they wood read
ordinary lower case typing woodent they surely now?

In a tubed preamp I have used wooden terminal strips made of dry
jarrah, and when prodding between
metal screws in the wood only 10mm apart the resistance was well over
what my DVM could read.

But if the wood ever cop a soaking from being flooded in a
Katrina event, then the amp wood need drying out well before use
although the
polyurethane coating I have painted on wood keep the problems to a
minimum.

That approach sounds entirely up to the task, as the moisture would
be kept out by the Estapol. Most phenolic resin product is actually
filled with sawdust and has been since the stuff was invented, so I
don't see why Jarrah can't be used (except for your next 50KV product)
..
 
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