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  1. Ian

    Ian Guest

    I have a Bosch Solution alarm "Ultima 880"
    To go into my daughters house.

    From what I have read, to get 8 sectors out of it,
    you need to use "Split EOL resistors" 3k3 & 6k8 1%

    Am I correct?

    Any hints for install?

    Thanks ....Ian
     
  2. Reply from a guy I know who used to design the Bosch PCB's:

    "Yep, 3K3 and 6K8,

    Ensure that the siren run time is changed from 5 mins to 2 mins (which
    is heaps) and also Lockout Siren and Dialler in options....also the
    PIR
    should be dualtech, DS835 or similar from Bosch....if they arent
    microwave and PIR, then use pulse count on zones.... Run the system
    for
    a week without sirens connected, this ensures there wont be false
    alarms
    pissing off the neighbours.....people disregard a siren if it goes off
    too many times....

    Locking out siren will only allow the siren to go off once on the
    sector, if someone goes into the house and trips another sector, it
    will
    go off again.....bosch has a thing called smart lockout....ensure that
    is set..."

    Dave.
     
  3. Ian

    Ian Guest

    Thanks a lot Dave most appreciated.
    Good idea, a week without sirens, just a matter of convincing the
    daughter. May leave internal screamer on with external siren off
    Should be able to do that.
    Have 3 Dualtech's from Bosch, not sure of model.

    Is it advisable to have not more than one pir on one sector?

    If you dont mind, I may have some other queries re the alarm later.

    I installed a Solution 16 in this place a anumber of years back,
    very reliable.

    Regards Ian
     
  4. Ian

    Ian Guest

    Have another question re 880
    It supposedly has
    4x burglary zones (1-4) 3k3 on delay
    and
    4x 24 hour zones (5-8) 6k8 on Instant(tamper)

    Have 6 x PIR's for in house
    Can I make those 24 hour zones be on delay
    or do i double up PIR's on the 4 burg zones.

    I did try to convince my daughter to get
    it installed professionally.

    Any help appreciated ...Ian



    Any help appreciated ...Ian
     
  5. atec77

    atec77 Guest

    As she should , you placing cable without a permit places you subject to
    several nasty rulings and high possible fines...
    ( anyone going to put you in?

    0
     
  6. Absolutely correct atec77.

    Albeit you don't need to be a rocket scientist to do this there are many
    safety aspects of the installation which need to be considered in how the
    cabling is provisioned.
    Unfortunately there are still a lot of alarm installers out there who don't
    realise they have to be registered appropriately Cablers to do this work or
    alternatively be supervised at ALL times whilst the work is being done by a
    Cabler who holds the appropriate level of registration. A TCA form must be
    completed for all new cabling work. The completion of a TCA form isn't
    necessary for replacing equipment, sensors or jumpering of new connections
    on distributors.

    There are hefty fines for DIY telecommunications cabling if you get found
    out.

    The ACMA website has details - http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/HOMEPAGE/PC=HOME
    A free copy of the regulations cab be downloaded from -
    http://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/page/15836/S009_2006r.pdf

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
  7. kreed

    kreed Guest



    I'm pretty sure you need a licence - including police check to do just
    about any sort of wiring in a building these days. One reason is risk
    is of dishonest people tampering with existing wiring in there to
    disable cameras, alarms or god knows what else to assist robberies of
    the place etc.


    However, people dont seem to give a stuff anymore. When we went to a
    local bar for a work function, there was an unlicensed "electrician"
    doing a substantial rewire of the building, including replacing the
    fusebox. This work had been going on for days. I went back a week
    later just to look, and saw he had even been installing smoke alarms
    (linked 240v system).

    I originally got suspicious after seeing him re-using runs of old (the
    jacket had yellowed and looked pretty shithouse condition with nicks
    etc.) 3.5mm sq twin and to connect a new 415v a sub board that he was
    putting in a DJ booth.

    He also had bundles (enough to fill a small box trailer) of old cable
    in various lengths that he was using where possible.

    After asking around found this bloke had no license, no idea, and
    somehow kept getting away with it. He had caught several builders
    too, after doing the work and getting paid, was asked to sign off on
    it and freely admitted being unlicensed. What the builders did about
    this is unknown.
     
  8. Ian

    Ian Guest

    At no stage did I say I was going to install an alarm at my
    daughters house. Her brother in law is a licenced installer.
    The question were for my own benifit.

    the only alarm I have installed is my own nearly 10 yrs ago,
    and I intend to keep it that way.

    ....Ian
     


  9. I'm pretty sure you need a licence - including police check to do just
    about any sort of wiring in a building these days. One reason is risk
    is of dishonest people tampering with existing wiring in there to
    disable cameras, alarms or god knows what else to assist robberies of
    the place etc.


    However, people dont seem to give a stuff anymore. When we went to a
    local bar for a work function, there was an unlicensed "electrician"
    doing a substantial rewire of the building, including replacing the
    fusebox. This work had been going on for days. I went back a week
    later just to look, and saw he had even been installing smoke alarms
    (linked 240v system).

    I originally got suspicious after seeing him re-using runs of old (the
    jacket had yellowed and looked pretty shithouse condition with nicks
    etc.) 3.5mm sq twin and to connect a new 415v a sub board that he was
    putting in a DJ booth.

    He also had bundles (enough to fill a small box trailer) of old cable
    in various lengths that he was using where possible.

    After asking around found this bloke had no license, no idea, and
    somehow kept getting away with it. He had caught several builders
    too, after doing the work and getting paid, was asked to sign off on
    it and freely admitted being unlicensed. What the builders did about
    this is unknown.


    This is just the sort of thing the industries don't need.
    The unsuspecting consumer probably doesn't realise that if substandard
    wiring, performed by an unlicenced tradie is found to be responsible for
    burning down their premises or electrocuting some poor bugger, their insurer
    most likely won't cough up on a claim and they could be leaving themselves
    wide open to litigation in the event of a compensation claim.
    The same applies to telecommunications cabling. if the 240v mains finds its
    way to the telephone cabling, some poor baggy arsed linesman working at a
    pillar or running a jumper at the exchange could get zapped. Not to mention
    the telco coming after you for frying their equipment.
     
  10. atec77

    atec77 Guest

    Pleased to hear it as the financial risks these days are very prohibitive.
     
  11. atec77

    atec77 Guest

    We recently has some electrical work done on site and I was forced to
    call the sparky back as he failed to provide conditions in the roof
    space meeting the Qld requirements , he is demanding payment which is
    refused due to failure to comply , the biggest concern for me was
    failure to provide sufficient clearance and specified to existing data
    and comm's cable which we had pre-wired , failure to correctly suspend
    cables off the T ceiling and several other breaches...
    His offer to F&*^ing rip it out was refused as all he has is a labour
    claim ( we supplied fittings and copper)... and an electrical inspection
    is currently in progress with interesting results .
     
  12. atec77

    atec77 Guest

    Have you considered informing his client and making a complaint to the
    authorities ?
     
  13. Reply from my friend:
    "its an 880, so the zone type should be changed from 24hr to
    instant....page 10 should help.....if they arent zone type 0, then
    they
    need to be programmed as zone type 0....."

    And a question:
    "Can you ask the guy where/how he purchased the system.....just
    interested to know...."

    Quick Ref guide is here:
    http://www.alternatezone.com/files/880 quick ref.pdf

    Dave.
     
  14. kreed

    kreed Guest

    its been tried by others, and he still keeps going.
     
  15. Ian

    Ian Guest

    Thanks Dave,

    The 880 was obtained from

    http://www.secutech.com.au

    Located in Lidcombe

    Regards ...Ian
     
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