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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
krw wrote:
[...]
It needs to also be under ECO control. The first thing you need is a
standard operating procedure (SOP) on how to create a "service level"
new explanatory schematic. This SOP must include instructions to enter
it into the ECO process. Now the schematic for the version without relay
number 17 is created for the units that only get sold in Africa. Another
for the Siberian unit is created where the panel defroster circuitry is
populated. And so on.

I see no way of making sure this new schematic is accurate. If it's
not accurate (and reflects current reality) I propose that its worth
is less than zero. Someone might actually use it! ;-) ...as has
been done with our "assembly drawing" (same issues, really).

That's what the ECO process is for. The schematic needs to be thoroughly
checked before the ECO is signed off on. After that it shall remain
impossible to change unless a new ECO or at least a deviation case is
opened.

Where to put it isn't the problem. How to assure that it reflects
reality is the issue.

That's why I (even as a division head) sometimes spent hours on an ECO.
On occasion the president didn't quite understand why I spent so much
time in front of the computer. I told him that if there's a bug in
certain ECOs it could bring the whole place to a grinding halt. "Oh, we
certainly don't want that to happen, go on then".

[*] A SKU is a board made from Chinese menu of configurations all
wired on the board and represented in the schematic. These
"configurations" are things like relays/no-relay, channels 3&4
(deleted for two channel SKU), Channel 2 (deleted for one channel
SKU), Channel 1 (deleted if no wired channels), football,...
Understood, except for the football :)

What's wrong with football? ;-)


Sports is usually boring ...

<ducking and running>
 
R

Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
0
Sure, but the fact of the matter is that analog TV worked just fine
without all this extra effort. Meaning analog TV was better, much
better. At least that's how a whole lot of people out here see it.
Well, I'm opposed to government edicts in general, but when they
arbitrarily decree that there shall be no more analog TeeVee, I
really don't have much choice but to bend over and let them slap
it to me. I live in an RV in the middle of an industrial park -
without TeeVee, I'd end up in a rubber room somewhere. %-}

I do rather enjoy the better reception, and a few channels I didn't
get before, but interestingly, channel 11 (Fox TV) is missing completely.

Is that a communist conspiracy? ;-)

This is not to denigrate your plight, Joerg; I really do feel for you.

Maybe you could throw together some high-gain yagis and a combiner of
some kind? (i.e., point a directional antenna per channel at the strongest
reflection in the area, that sort of thing.) It's be a PITA, but you'd
at least be able to watch the football game.

Last night, Oakland waxed the Cowboys! ;-)

Have you looked into satellite?

Good Luck!
Rich
 
J

Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
0
Rich said:
Well, I'm opposed to government edicts in general, but when they
arbitrarily decree that there shall be no more analog TeeVee, I
really don't have much choice but to bend over and let them slap
it to me. I live in an RV in the middle of an industrial park -
without TeeVee, I'd end up in a rubber room somewhere. %-}

I do rather enjoy the better reception, and a few channels I didn't
get before, but interestingly, channel 11 (Fox TV) is missing completely.

Possibly they did what our local stations here did. They gave up their
precious VHF channel and moved to UHF. Poof, and the range shrunk. It is
completely beyond me how someone could give up a VHF channel without a
fight or at least some serious monetary compensation.

Is that a communist conspiracy? ;-)

This is not to denigrate your plight, Joerg; I really do feel for you.

Maybe you could throw together some high-gain yagis and a combiner of
some kind? (i.e., point a directional antenna per channel at the strongest
reflection in the area, that sort of thing.) It's be a PITA, but you'd
at least be able to watch the football game.

To be honest, TV ain't worth that much effort to me. Not anymore.

Last night, Oakland waxed the Cowboys! ;-)

Have you looked into satellite?

I've heard some not to nice stories about paid satellite providers in
our neighborhood. And just out of principle, why should I be paying
forty-plus bucks a month to watch the news that I could watch for free
until this dreaded DTV switch? Neither of us are sports fans so we would
not get any added value out of sat or cable.
 
K

krw

Jan 1, 1970
0
krw said:
krw wrote:
krw wrote:
JosephKK wrote:
[...]
And besides, I think the vast majority of urban dwellers in high-rises
will have cable TV anyhow. IMHO it's only a matter of time until folks
on the outskirts hang up on such stations and go to non-local channels
on satellite. Or as the next generation already does, fulfill their
media consumption wishes via the web for news and Netflix for movies.
Then, ad revenue drops, station budgets begin to shrivel up, pink slips
are handed out. <brag_mode> I see that coming, just as I saw the
mortgage bubble burst coming </brag_mode>.
You are not the only who foresaw the mortgage / flip bubble bursting.
It was clear from the nature of the advertised mortgages in 2005. Plus
locally I also saw a previous tight housing market invert at the same
time as many new apartments and new houses were hitting the market
from late 2004 through early 2006 here locally.

It blows my mind that the chairman of the reserve either didn't see it
or preferred to do nothing. It doesn't take much to foresee that the
concept of ARMs and, worse, negative amortization loans is wrong and
dangerous for the country. It also doesn't take much to see that the
competence level of banking managers back then had sunk to a level that
was insufficient. I expect more from a chairman, I expect that he does
the same what a police officer would do if he saw someone entering the
freeway the wrong way.
Not sure what the Fed could have done about it. Banks were still
bound by margin rules (8%, IIRC) on loans. The problem was the
repackaging of mortgage securities traded as investments. I don't
believe they fell under the Fed's purview, rather SEC. A *lot* of
people saw the housing bubble as just that, far fewer saw the real
problem, the ridiculous leveraging going on with trash securities.
Well, that's exactly what gets my blood to boil. It does not make a
smidgen of a difference under whose purview this falls. We pay those
guys lots of taxpayer money and we expect service for that money, not
passing the buck. It's like someone on the Titanic seeing the big
iceberg and not telling anyone because it's "not in his job
description". If the Fed see trouble, what is so difficult about picking
up the phone, calling the guys over at the SEC and arranging some crisis
meetings?
The Fed doesn't have the right knobs to turn. Congress asked for this
mess.

But don't they have telephones? If I don't have the right knobs to turn
I call someone who does. Like this morning when a client asked for
something I usually don't do and don't have the time to do right now.
One phone call later the matter was solved, now they have an engineer
who can do it for them.

How do you know the Fed didn't use the telephone?

If they did, then they didn't do it enough. There was an eerie silence
about this stuff on the part of the chairman. I had a lot of respect for
Greenspan, until a few years ago when I saw the first massive push for
scam mortages and nothing was done about it.

Again, the Fed only controls a few of *commercial* banks' knobs. They
don't control the investment side, where the problem was. You're
yelling at the wrong dog.
There are times when he and others should have slammed the table harder.
A lot harder. Plus press exposure which is a wonderful tool we have in
the US.

Except the leftist weenies own the press.
If it needs it and he forgot, yes, of course. But this topic is very
different. You would certainly tell the boss if smoke was billowing out
from under the hood of his car, wouldn't you?

Ok, do you tell him that his wife is screwing the mailman?
 
K

krw

Jan 1, 1970
0
krw said:
krw wrote:
[...]
What is wanted is a *NEW* schematic that shows the SKU. Making *that*
is a manual process and would *NOT* be controlled. We already do this
with the (above) assembly drawings (which are not used to assemble
anything) and it causes grief. This *new* schematic is what I'm
fighting.

It needs to also be under ECO control. The first thing you need is a
standard operating procedure (SOP) on how to create a "service level"
new explanatory schematic. This SOP must include instructions to enter
it into the ECO process. Now the schematic for the version without relay
number 17 is created for the units that only get sold in Africa. Another
for the Siberian unit is created where the panel defroster circuitry is
populated. And so on.

I see no way of making sure this new schematic is accurate. If it's
not accurate (and reflects current reality) I propose that its worth
is less than zero. Someone might actually use it! ;-) ...as has
been done with our "assembly drawing" (same issues, really).

That's what the ECO process is for. The schematic needs to be thoroughly
checked before the ECO is signed off on. After that it shall remain
impossible to change unless a new ECO or at least a deviation case is
opened.

It can't be. Manual checks don't cut it.

Well, I didn't see any way until today. We figured a way to gin up a
check (basically use Crapture to set the component values for those
tagged with the configuration property to '***'). Then we'll mark a
"FOR DEBUG PURPOSES ONLY" in 136pt. type across all the pages.
That's why I (even as a division head) sometimes spent hours on an ECO.
On occasion the president didn't quite understand why I spent so much
time in front of the computer. I told him that if there's a bug in
certain ECOs it could bring the whole place to a grinding halt. "Oh, we
certainly don't want that to happen, go on then".

Too much chance of errors getting into the system.
[*] A SKU is a board made from Chinese menu of configurations all
wired on the board and represented in the schematic. These
"configurations" are things like relays/no-relay, channels 3&4
(deleted for two channel SKU), Channel 2 (deleted for one channel
SKU), Channel 1 (deleted if no wired channels), football,...

Understood, except for the football :)

What's wrong with football? ;-)


Sports is usually boring ...

<ducking and running>

It's a great spectator sport, and pays the mortgage. ;-)
 
J

Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
0
krw said:
krw said:
krw wrote: [...]

What is wanted is a *NEW* schematic that shows the SKU. Making *that*
is a manual process and would *NOT* be controlled. We already do this
with the (above) assembly drawings (which are not used to assemble
anything) and it causes grief. This *new* schematic is what I'm
fighting.

It needs to also be under ECO control. The first thing you need is a
standard operating procedure (SOP) on how to create a "service level"
new explanatory schematic. This SOP must include instructions to enter
it into the ECO process. Now the schematic for the version without relay
number 17 is created for the units that only get sold in Africa. Another
for the Siberian unit is created where the panel defroster circuitry is
populated. And so on.
I see no way of making sure this new schematic is accurate. If it's
not accurate (and reflects current reality) I propose that its worth
is less than zero. Someone might actually use it! ;-) ...as has
been done with our "assembly drawing" (same issues, really).
That's what the ECO process is for. The schematic needs to be thoroughly
checked before the ECO is signed off on. After that it shall remain
impossible to change unless a new ECO or at least a deviation case is
opened.

It can't be. Manual checks don't cut it.

Well, I didn't see any way until today. We figured a way to gin up a
check (basically use Crapture to set the component values for those
tagged with the configuration property to '***'). Then we'll mark a
"FOR DEBUG PURPOSES ONLY" in 136pt. type across all the pages.

:)

In medical you can't have such documents around. Monsieur l'inspecteur
would have you over the barrel if he finds one. Only in engineering it
would be ok. Not in production, not in service, or anywhere else.

Too much chance of errors getting into the system.

Well, you always have that chance. We had many ECO'd processes where,
for example, people had to time mixing routines and then type the whole
instruction litany into an ECO, by hand. Never had any issues.

[*] A SKU is a board made from Chinese menu of configurations all
wired on the board and represented in the schematic. These
"configurations" are things like relays/no-relay, channels 3&4
(deleted for two channel SKU), Channel 2 (deleted for one channel
SKU), Channel 1 (deleted if no wired channels), football,...

Understood, except for the football :)
What's wrong with football? ;-)

Sports is usually boring ...

<ducking and running>

It's a great spectator sport, and pays the mortgage. ;-)


Pays the mortage? Are you a coach?
 
J

Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
0
[mortgage mess]
Again, the Fed only controls a few of *commercial* banks' knobs. They
don't control the investment side, where the problem was. You're
yelling at the wrong dog.

Nope. One of the Fed's core tasks is to keep the whole country's
financial system in equilibrium. Knowing that we'll hit a brick wall and
not doing enough about it is the same as if a person sees a fire and
doesn't report it. You don't have to start fighting the fire yourself
with a shovel and a hose but you are morally obligated to call the fire
department.

Except the leftist weenies own the press.

Most of them, yes, but not all media. There's FOX news. And then there's
Rush ...

Ok, do you tell him that his wife is screwing the mailman?


That's between him, his wife, and the mail man :)
 
J

Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
0
It won't be fun. The *.raw files spit out by my sims are often well over
30MB. Then you sit there sipping coffee looking at the data xfer
progress bar crawling ever so slowly. You need those files to be able to
take a peek at this, that and the other node.

you could probably compress them, I wonder if FLAC could be used for
this...
 
J

Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
0
you could probably compress them, I wonder if FLAC could be used for
this...

You don't _need_ the RAW files... just the display or print thereof.

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F

Fred Abse

Jan 1, 1970
0
More inane stupidity.

Copy of part of a .pdf file picked at random and opened with a text editor
(gedit). Maybe a little butchered on whitespace and EOL by posting client:

%PDF-1.4%âãÏÓ
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169441 >> endobj
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trailer<</Size 100/Info 59 0 R /Root 65 0 R /Prev 169431

<snipped>

Neither inane, nor stupid, nor a bitmap.


Extract from the introduction to the Adobe PDF reference manual (available
online):

"THE ADOBE PORTABLE DOCUMENT FORMAT (PDF) is the native file format of the
Adobe® Acrobat® family of products. The goal of these products is to
enable users to exchange and view electronic documents easily and
reliably, independently of the environment in which they were created. PDF
relies on the same imaging model as the PostScript® page description
language to describe text and graphics in a device-independent and
resolution-independent manner. To improve performance for interactive
viewing, PDF defines a more structured format than that used by most
PostScript language programs. PDF also includes objects, such as
annotations and hypertext links, that are not part of the page itself but
are useful for interactive viewing and document interchange."


Go RTFM,and please stop promulgating the fiction that .pdf files are
bitmaps.
 
K

krw

Jan 1, 1970
0
[mortgage mess]
Again, the Fed only controls a few of *commercial* banks' knobs. They
don't control the investment side, where the problem was. You're
yelling at the wrong dog.

Nope. One of the Fed's core tasks is to keep the whole country's
financial system in equilibrium. Knowing that we'll hit a brick wall and
not doing enough about it is the same as if a person sees a fire and
doesn't report it. You don't have to start fighting the fire yourself
with a shovel and a hose but you are morally obligated to call the fire
department.

You may think they have that responsibility, but Congress doesn't
(anymore).
Most of them, yes, but not all media. There's FOX news. And then there's
Rush ...

They were yelling about the "bubble". There were many stories about
the "flippers" and real estate price escalation in FL. Barney Frank
didn't care.
That's between him, his wife, and the mail man :)

Right. Getting in the middle isn't safe.
 
K

krw

Jan 1, 1970
0
krw said:
krw wrote:
krw wrote:
[...]

What is wanted is a *NEW* schematic that shows the SKU. Making *that*
is a manual process and would *NOT* be controlled. We already do this
with the (above) assembly drawings (which are not used to assemble
anything) and it causes grief. This *new* schematic is what I'm
fighting.

It needs to also be under ECO control. The first thing you need is a
standard operating procedure (SOP) on how to create a "service level"
new explanatory schematic. This SOP must include instructions to enter
it into the ECO process. Now the schematic for the version without relay
number 17 is created for the units that only get sold in Africa. Another
for the Siberian unit is created where the panel defroster circuitry is
populated. And so on.
I see no way of making sure this new schematic is accurate. If it's
not accurate (and reflects current reality) I propose that its worth
is less than zero. Someone might actually use it! ;-) ...as has
been done with our "assembly drawing" (same issues, really).

That's what the ECO process is for. The schematic needs to be thoroughly
checked before the ECO is signed off on. After that it shall remain
impossible to change unless a new ECO or at least a deviation case is
opened.

It can't be. Manual checks don't cut it.

Well, I didn't see any way until today. We figured a way to gin up a
check (basically use Crapture to set the component values for those
tagged with the configuration property to '***'). Then we'll mark a
"FOR DEBUG PURPOSES ONLY" in 136pt. type across all the pages.

:)

In medical you can't have such documents around. Monsieur l'inspecteur
would have you over the barrel if he finds one. Only in engineering it
would be ok. Not in production, not in service, or anywhere else.

We also have unpopulated components for other reasons (mostly firmware
readable revision number pins) that get marked with NP_value. If it's
not good enough for us, I'll insist on doing nothing.
Well, you always have that chance. We had many ECO'd processes where,
for example, people had to time mixing routines and then type the whole
instruction litany into an ECO, by hand. Never had any issues.

You can then check that the device works. It's not a ticking bomb
hiding in the system.
[*] A SKU is a board made from Chinese menu of configurations all
wired on the board and represented in the schematic. These
"configurations" are things like relays/no-relay, channels 3&4
(deleted for two channel SKU), Channel 2 (deleted for one channel
SKU), Channel 1 (deleted if no wired channels), football,...

Understood, except for the football :)
What's wrong with football? ;-)

Sports is usually boring ...

<ducking and running>

It's a great spectator sport, and pays the mortgage. ;-)


Pays the mortage? Are you a coach?

Nope. Our primary customer.
 
A

Archimedes' Lever

Jan 1, 1970
0
you could probably compress them, I wonder if FLAC could be used for
this...


You're a dope! FLAC is NOT a compression scheme. It digitizes without
ANY compression. That was the whole attraction for FLAC among the audio
nuts.

Audio compression schemes are completely different than a binary file
compression schema.

For ANY data file, standard old zip or rar or other modern file
compression mode is the way to reduce the file size (be sure to set it
for high compression)

If it is all random data though, the level of compression will be low
no matter what you do, and you will still have damned near all of the
original 30MB file. If it cannot be compressed, it won't be... period.
 
F

FatBytestard

Jan 1, 1970
0
Go RTFM,and please stop promulgating the fiction that .pdf files are
bitmaps.

Despite the hyperlinks and other crap they include, the scaleability of
them proves that they resolve to the pixel level at all times, regardless
of what Adobe wants to call it, and your grasp of it lacks so much that
you think "a bitmap" is a single defined term that you learned years ago.

That is your problem. You are hard wired into thinking that a word
only has one meaning.

Print a PDF page, and the compiled page is sent to the printer as a bit
mapped graphic.

ZOOM in on that same PDF and print the zoom, and you will see the
proof. THAT printed page is ALSO rendered TO THE PRINTER as a bit mapped
graphic.
 
F

Fred Abse

Jan 1, 1970
0
Despite the hyperlinks and other crap they include, the scaleability of
them proves that they resolve to the pixel level at all times,

It proves no such thing.

regardless
of what Adobe wants to call it, and your grasp of it lacks so much that
you think "a bitmap" is a single defined term that you learned years ago.

That is your problem. You are hard wired into thinking that a word
only has one meaning.

Like Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty, a word means whatever you decide it
means at the time.
 
F

FatBytestard

Jan 1, 1970
0
Like Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty, a word means whatever you decide it
means at the time.

Do you know what FOAD **** Off And Die means?
 
J

Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
0
krw said:
krw said:
krw wrote:
krw wrote:
[mortgage mess]
The Fed doesn't have the right knobs to turn. Congress asked for this
mess.

But don't they have telephones? If I don't have the right knobs to turn
I call someone who does. Like this morning when a client asked for
something I usually don't do and don't have the time to do right now.
One phone call later the matter was solved, now they have an engineer
who can do it for them.
How do you know the Fed didn't use the telephone?

If they did, then they didn't do it enough. There was an eerie silence
about this stuff on the part of the chairman. I had a lot of respect for
Greenspan, until a few years ago when I saw the first massive push for
scam mortages and nothing was done about it.
Again, the Fed only controls a few of *commercial* banks' knobs. They
don't control the investment side, where the problem was. You're
yelling at the wrong dog.
Nope. One of the Fed's core tasks is to keep the whole country's
financial system in equilibrium. Knowing that we'll hit a brick wall and
not doing enough about it is the same as if a person sees a fire and
doesn't report it. You don't have to start fighting the fire yourself
with a shovel and a hose but you are morally obligated to call the fire
department.

You may think they have that responsibility, but Congress doesn't
(anymore).

Again, this is not about formal responsibilities or political job
descriptions or whatever. If something stinks, one has to raise a stink.
Big time. Even if that costs the career. IMHO this is a matter of
righteousness.

They were yelling about the "bubble". There were many stories about
the "flippers" and real estate price escalation in FL. Barney Frank
didn't care.

He does not govern our country all by himself :)

Right. Getting in the middle isn't safe.


Not in that case but sometimes you have to.
 
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