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Tim Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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So I was wondering, everyone's clammering to get smaller...but why not just
build UP? Too hard to epitaxy on top of metal and oxide layers?

Tim
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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So I was wondering, everyone's clammering to get smaller...but why not just
build UP? Too hard to epitaxy on top of metal and oxide layers?

Tim

Yup. You get crappy, damaged silicon.

LCDs and such grow silicon on glass, poly or amorphous, and it makes
slow, leaky transistors, just good enough to drive pixels. Ditto the
low-efficiency solar cells used in calculators.

John
 
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Phil Hobbs

Jan 1, 1970
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martin said:

3D silicon is an active development area. Stacked memory has been
available for ages, but afaik it has always done by wire bonding, so it
isn't really 3D. The silicon through-via technology has been developed
independently in several places--earliest at IBM, I think. It's useful
because you can run interconnects through stacked chips like elevator
shafts in a tall building. The problem has been not so much in drilling
the holes, as in filling them with a reliable metallization at a very
dense wiring pitch.

We (IBM) have a silicon-carrier technology that allows the use of
IC-type wiring densities in first level packaging. At one point we were
considering splitting large ASICs up into tiles, and putting them on
silicon carriers. That's expensive in processing, but you more than
make it up in yield, due to the smaller area of the individual tiles. I
don't know if that ever made it into a product offering.

It's possible to do epitaxy over top of fabricated devices, but I don't
think that's what will show up in the first real 3D devices, anyway.
The main problem is yield again--instead of, say, 600 process steps,
you'll have 1000 process steps, and keeping the yield up through that is
really, really hard. Wafer bonding improves yields, because you only
bond good wafers to good wafers.

Chip-level optical interconnect is intimately involved with 3D issues,
because the transistor folks won't let us play on their real estate--we
have to live on a separate silicon level.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs
 
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martin griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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3D silicon is an active development area. Stacked memory has been
available for ages, but afaik it has always done by wire bonding, so it
isn't really 3D. The silicon through-via technology has been developed
independently in several places--earliest at IBM, I think. It's useful
because you can run interconnects through stacked chips like elevator
shafts in a tall building. The problem has been not so much in drilling
the holes, as in filling them with a reliable metallization at a very
dense wiring pitch.

We (IBM) have a silicon-carrier technology that allows the use of
IC-type wiring densities in first level packaging. At one point we were
considering splitting large ASICs up into tiles, and putting them on
silicon carriers. That's expensive in processing, but you more than
make it up in yield, due to the smaller area of the individual tiles. I
don't know if that ever made it into a product offering.

It's possible to do epitaxy over top of fabricated devices, but I don't
think that's what will show up in the first real 3D devices, anyway.
The main problem is yield again--instead of, say, 600 process steps,
you'll have 1000 process steps, and keeping the yield up through that is
really, really hard. Wafer bonding improves yields, because you only
bond good wafers to good wafers.

Chip-level optical interconnect is intimately involved with 3D issues,
because the transistor folks won't let us play on their real estate--we
have to live on a separate silicon level.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs
Thanks for that, I just this
http://www.physorg.com/news94142957.html

Fun times ahead


martin
 
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