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SIA / Contact ID report tables

Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by scania, Jan 5, 2004.

  1. scania

    scania Guest

    Does anyone have a current Contact ID and SIA report table? Relying on the
    panel manufacturer's is useless.

    Thanks

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    Todd Trowbridge
    Home Security & Mgt. Co., Inc.
    57 Central Drive
    P.O. Box 695
    Stowe, VT 05672
    800.933.4762
    802.253.2143 Fax
    www.hsmc-ul.com
     
  2. Aegis

    Aegis Guest

    Your use of the word "current" makes me wonder is what I have is outdated.
     
  3. scania

    scania Guest

    Thanks for the help.

    It seems ITI is taking some artistic license with their SIA tables. I
    wanted to be sure our definitions were more industry accurate.

    Todd
     
  4. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    The basic signals are the same however ITI throws in additional information
    although any standard receiver will handle it
     
  5. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    I wouldn't exactly say they're all the same Mark. I know DMP can send
    Contact ID, not SIA, but the CID is a little different from the standards. I
    think DSC has a few things a little different from the standard as well.
    Both Panels can transmit more information than CID Tables allow.
    (4020)(XR-200)

    Jack
     
  6. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    If they are sending a different event code than listed I would call that a
    change which neither ITI or DMP does, I don't think the SIA or CID tables
    will do him any good.

    From what I've seen ITI, DMP and DSC send the exact same signal if Contact
    ID, they have to otherwise they become incompatible with every receiver out
    there, The only panels that are different is the new Ademco panels which
    send 10-digit account numbers. SIA is another story, you can send more
    information in the same signal string but the automation may not be able to
    handle it, for instance Napco and Silent Knight can send multiple burg/fire
    signals within a single SIA string but DSC and ITI do not.
     
  7. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    I didn't mean to say different per say. Both DMP and DSC have many signals
    (programming attributes) that are unique to each. The conversion to CID is a
    general descriptor for those signals. I have only seen problems when sending
    signals to older first round CID format receivers in which some CS's didn't
    stay up with current firmware. But usually it was more of an automation
    problem. DMP uses the fastest transmission method in the Industry which is
    older than the digital communicator itself. SDLC and IBM format.

    Jack
     
  8. scania

    scania Guest

    It's not that the receivers are accepting the report correctly or not, nor
    the software displaying the alarm properly:

    My problem with ITI is their definition of a cancel code for burglary, as an
    example, is sent as BH. This is actually Burglary Restore and changes the
    functionality of procedures on alarms.
    Their older version 1.0 Concord panels would send E130 for panic on the
    keypad. This burglary code is obviously not a panic report.

    They don't seem to be obeying the industry standards on report formats.
     
  9. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    Sounds more like an ITI issue? I hear what your saying, I had a similar
    issue when sending CID from a DMP XR-200 Control Panel to an Ademco 685
    Receiver. You may have to go into your automation and make up a new set of
    defaults for that particular panel.

    Jack
     
  10. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    Thats not changing the CID code tho, ITI does do some wierd thing but much
    of this isn't up to ITI more than it is up to SIA who is pushing false alarm
    prevention into as many panels as they can
     
  11. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    Can't really do that without screwing up everything else, we monitor about
    200+ different systems and never had to alter the codes for either CID or
    SIA
     
  12. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    You can't add a new set of defaults to your automation? Don't change the one
    you have as defaults, add a new one and modify the defaults of the new.

    Jack
     
  13. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    I've not had to do this at all
     
  14. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    I hear ya. Well if, big **IF** Ademco ever breaks the 250 point barrier it
    would (will) effect you. I'm still not a big fan of CID, and never will be.
    But, I do understand its place for those who use it. I don't have a need for
    it.

    Jack
     
  15. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    With DMP you wouldn't have to although if you ask me it's a dying format
    just like Radionics Modem II
     
  16. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    Not true at all, if it were up to larger customer then we wouldn't see much
    of this however several large cities now want (soon to require) SIA
    standards
     
  17. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    The Simon 2 would send a burg in SIA or CID when the emergency and chime
    special motions were pressed which always struck me as dumb but that isn't
    actually changing the current SIA/CID standard

    I think I still have a Concord v1 and 2 laying around, I'll test that one
     
  18. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    Dying? It's 3 times faster than CID, and sends twice as much information,
    and is at least 10 years older than the first pulse (digital) format. But
    dying. I think not. Same for M2, and M2E. You are seriously warped by the
    Ademco Mode of Operation Mr. Mark. No pun intended...

    Jack
     
  19. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    And its not supported by most current receivers either which is why I say
    its dying. The current movement in the industry is SIA and CID. Radionics
    has now added CID to its new 6412, ITI abandoned the ITI format for both CID
    and SIA etc etc.

    I could always be wrong, time will tell
     
  20. Jackcsg

    Jackcsg Guest

    I know...I know. DMP put it in their panels too. They had too. It's a
    helpful tool when your trying to sway dealers. It's not dying. It's just
    proprietary. Manufacturers don't like to pay for someone else's formats. Why
    do you think Osborne-Hoffman was so successful? I see all POTS pulse and
    tone formats going bye bye some day too. Soon? Nope. 3/4 of the industry is
    in the "If it works, don't replace it" mode of operation. The Internet is
    the wave of the future...surfboard?

    Jack
     
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