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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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Clarence_A said:
"Spehro Pefhany" wrote



Company will not pay for anything in the SF area, they say it is
too expensive. They will pay in Anaheim or LV! I've even been
allowed to book in Phoenix and Denver (Gun Barrel, CO). Just NOT
SF!

No other explanation!
You can, of course, read the material on my web site which covers the
talks one way or another. Throwing rotten vegetables at your own
computer screen is, however, much less satisfying than using them on a
presenter.
 
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Richard Owlett

Jan 1, 1970
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Clarence_A said:
Why do they always have the ESC in San Francisco?
I can't go there, and wouldn't if I could.
The Anaheim Convention center site would be a better choice!
Or even Los Vegas!

Branson, MO a better choice.
More central location.
Better scenery.
Less traffic.
I'd only have to drive 1/2 hour ;)
 
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Clarence_A

Jan 1, 1970
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"Tim Wescott" wrote
You can, of course, read the material on my web site which covers the
talks one way or another. Throwing rotten vegetables at your own
computer screen is, however, much less satisfying than using them on a
presenter.

Read the article in the MAG. Fairly simplified and quite useful
for explaining to management. However the Thermal side was very
over simplified. Our app required 5 to 9 zone control of a
cylindrical furnace (semiconductor processing. (LPE and CID) so
the interaction and variation due to horizontal and vertical tubes
were of major concern.

Fortunately, I do not do the Process Furnaces anymore, that
customer was bought and the entire factory moved out. (We do
system level consulting.)
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Tim Wescott
com>) about '[Shameless Plug] -- Embedded Systems Conference', on Sun, 9
Jan 2005:
I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD, and Basic
Control Theory for Software Engineers. More details at
http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm.

This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before the
prerequisite -- oh well.

I thought this thread was about a connector with exposed male and female
members.(;-)
 
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Jim Stewart

Jan 1, 1970
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Clarence_A said:
"Spehro Pefhany" wrote



Company will not pay for anything in the SF area, they say it is
too expensive. They will pay in Anaheim or LV! I've even been
allowed to book in Phoenix and Denver (Gun Barrel, CO). Just NOT
SF!

If you think it's expensive to go to SF to see
a conference, just try exhibiting at one...
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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If you think it's expensive to go to SF to see
a conference, just try exhibiting at one...

Are they closed union shop like the Eastern ones? I hate having to pay
those guy to do trivial stuff. Dreyage, my a**. 8-( And an
electrician every time, even if the stuff just plugged in.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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Clarence_A said:
"Tim Wescott" wrote


details at





covers the


them on a



Read the article in the MAG. Fairly simplified and quite useful
for explaining to management. However the Thermal side was very
over simplified. Our app required 5 to 9 zone control of a
cylindrical furnace (semiconductor processing. (LPE and CID) so
the interaction and variation due to horizontal and vertical tubes
were of major concern.
Yes, it was. I wanted something that didn't include an intrinsic
integrator, and I didn't want to spend days on a real thermal model.
 
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Jim Stewart

Jan 1, 1970
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Spehro said:
Are they closed union shop like the Eastern ones? I hate having to pay
those guy to do trivial stuff. Dreyage, my a**. 8-( And an
electrician every time, even if the stuff just plugged in.

Exactly.

We've done both SF and San Jose and San Jose was the worst.

Even though the contents of our booth fit in the back of
our Subaru wagon, we still had to go to the "marshaling
yard" across town, wait in line, have the vehicle weighted,
get a pickup time tag, go back to the convention center and
wait to be unloaded, drive the unloaded car back to the
"marshaling yard", get it weighed unloaded and get a weight
ticket, which BTW was at least 200 lbs higher than the
actual weight of the booth. To add injury to insult, as
I was driving off the scale, a piece of metal slashed
and destroyed one of my tires.

Leaving, we just waited for the security guards to kick
back and then sneaked everything out the front door.

By the time we did ESC at SF, we had gotten pretty good
at sneaking the stuff in past the teamsters. The trick
is to have one person in the vehicle, circling the venue.
Another person meets the vehicle, gets an armload of stuff
and carries it inside. Repeat until done.
 
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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Exactly.

We've done both SF and San Jose and San Jose was the worst.

Even though the contents of our booth fit in the back of
our Subaru wagon, we still had to go to the "marshaling
yard" across town, wait in line, have the vehicle weighted,
get a pickup time tag, go back to the convention center and
wait to be unloaded, drive the unloaded car back to the
"marshaling yard", get it weighed unloaded and get a weight
ticket, which BTW was at least 200 lbs higher than the
actual weight of the booth. To add injury to insult, as
I was driving off the scale, a piece of metal slashed
and destroyed one of my tires.

Leaving, we just waited for the security guards to kick
back and then sneaked everything out the front door.

By the time we did ESC at SF, we had gotten pretty good
at sneaking the stuff in past the teamsters. The trick
is to have one person in the vehicle, circling the venue.
Another person meets the vehicle, gets an armload of stuff
and carries it inside. Repeat until done.
(Sound of teeth grinding).

I can understand the need for unions in some industries, where employers
can make things impossible for the working man.

But they sure are a good example of how power corrupts.
 
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CBFalconer

Jan 1, 1970
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Spehro said:
.... snip ...

Are they closed union shop like the Eastern ones? I hate having to
pay those guy to do trivial stuff. Dreyage, my a**. 8-( And an
electrician every time, even if the stuff just plugged in.

Isn't it amazing the accidental nightime damage that can occur as a
result of supplying your own ashtrays (back when smoking was good)
or anything else.
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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Isn't it amazing the accidental nightime damage that can occur as a
result of supplying your own ashtrays (back when smoking was good)
or anything else.

Jacob Javits Center? I've never done that venue, but I've heard
stories.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Jim Stewart

Jan 1, 1970
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Spehro said:
Jacob Javits Center? I've never done that venue, but I've heard
stories.

Years ago I was setting up an exhibit in Brooks
Hall, the old SF WESCON venue. I got knocked
on my ass from a union-electrician-supplied
power pigtail that had hot and ground interchanged.

So yeah, better let the people in charge do the
work for you...
 
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keith

Jan 1, 1970
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"Keith Williams" wrote
service".

I suspect it was abuse by sales people that got this policy in
place. Diners for four at $900, and renting a Ferrari for a week!

Your PHBs totally lost control then. We have a meal and hotel "allowance"
that was foisted on us because of idiots like this. Last I checked a
couple hundred a night wasn't unreasonable for a hotel room in SF (maybe
$150 because of our leverage) and $60ish in food per day. It is one of
the more expensive places, but there it makes no sense to arbitrarily make
a city off-limits because of a few fools.
But no one will say! Funny too, they spring for a three day
weekend in SD at a nice beach side place for the entire staff with
family, as a Christmas party! But travel is tight!

Hey, The PHBs sprung for a day off at Thanksgiving. I didn't see it as
that big a deal since we're all salaried. The same work had to get done.
We'll see what our bonus looks like this year. Last year I made $10K less
than five years ago. I'm thinking about moving on... I've done my time.
 
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Keith Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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(Sound of teeth grinding).

Oh, that's what that was. I thought it was the sound of knee caps
breaking.
I can understand the need for unions in some industries, where employers
can make things impossible for the working man.

But they sure are a good example of how power corrupts.

and as such are obsolete.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Why do they always have the ESC in San Francisco?
I can't go there, and wouldn't if I could.

Why not? It's really a nice place.
The Anaheim Convention center site would be a better choice!
Or even Los Vegas!

Flat, boring, and sleazy both. But Disneyland is great if the lines
aren't too long, which they usually are. Los Vegas is The Sickest
Place on Earth.

John
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Unless a customer is paying, anything over 1,000 Miles is just not
considered. Price is not the issue, it's just policy.

BTW the last time I went to SF, it was an hour and a half each way
from SJ motel to the Conference, and if you drove Parking was so
far away you needed a bicycle to get to the hall.


Well, San Jose is about five cities away from SF, sort of like staying
in NYC for a conference in Boston. There are some cheap, fun places to
stay in SF out near the ocean, with just a couple of blocks of walking
to the streetcar on each end. And you can walk on the beach for a
break. Downtown is pretty much like any downtown, a
tourist/businessman ripoff.

SF does have great, cheap food and lots of stuff to do on the side.

John
 
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Jerry Avins

Jan 1, 1970
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Keith Williams wrote:

IEEE doesn't do Javits in new York, any more. They use Meadowlands in NJ
instead. Too many vendors made their intentions never to return to
Javits known.

Jerry
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Why not? It's really a nice place.


Flat, boring, and sleazy both. But Disneyland is great if the lines
aren't too long, which they usually are. Los Vegas is The Sickest
Place on Earth.
Laughlin is awfully nice in comparison, but I don't know if they have
convention halls there.

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Clarence_A

Jan 1, 1970
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Rich Grise said:
Too much hassle! Too many people, not all are even civil!

Matter of opinion. But I wasn't concerned with the stranding
attractions. Disneyland is always good, and if the lines are long,
"Fast pass" is an alternative.
Laughlin is awfully nice in comparison, but I don't know if they have
convention halls there.


Only hotels and casinos, I think. Haven't had a reason to go
there!
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Jacob Javits Center? I've never done that venue, but I've heard
stories.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany


I did a trade show booth in downtown San Francisco once; never again.
There were union goons everywhere, stopping people from carrying
anything and posting violation notices on booths if people were
plugging in or even using their own lights. On my way out, a huge guy
stood in my way and blocked me from leaving with some stuff on a
dolly. False imprisonment, seems to me. Another guy off to the side
said "are you a guest in the hotel?" I thought for a second and said
"Yes" which meant they had to let me take the stuff up to my "room"
(ie, a taxicab). The big guy was pissed.

Just after that we did a show in Albuquerque. We shipped the gear to
my rep, and he drove it in his pickup truck onto the floor of the
exhibit hall, right up to the booth. That was great.

Lately, I'm thinking trade shows aren't worth the hassle, at least as
a presenter. Even print ads are dicey. Google gets us most of our
business (we think.)


John
 

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