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  1. ABLE_1

    ABLE_1 Guest

    Hello all,

    I have a customer that is about to replace 16 windows with vinyl replacement
    windows as the link below shows.
    http://www.certainteed.com/CertainT...ast/Prodindex/Replacement/BMIIProductpage.htm

    The existing windows have both top and bottom sashes with contacts. They
    would like to maintain the same security on the new windows.

    This brings me to ask the question. Does anybody have any tricks or
    suggestions for vinyl windows for both top and bottom sash with out voiding
    the warrantee???

    Thanks in advance.

    Les
     
  2. alarman

    alarman Guest

    Alarm screens.
    js
     
  3. Jim

    Jim Guest


    Any window manufacturer that I've ever contacted doesn't have any
    problem
    with adding contacts to a windows as long as the integrity of the
    window is
    maintained, and that usually means don't mess with the weather
    stripping.

    If you really want to be sure, call the manufacturer.
     
  4. Guest

    This brings me to ask the question. Does anybody have
    One problem with vinyl windows is seating a recessed magnet. Most
    vinyl windows have too narrow a space at the bottom of the sash.
    Certainteed's "Devon" line is an exception. There's a hollow chamber
    in the bottom rail deep enough to fit a "stubby" magnet.
    Unfortunately, the upper rail's chamber is too short for a recessed
    magnet. Even a stubby model probably won't fit.

    Better yet, there's a recessed space deep enough to cement a "rare
    earth" magnet in place without even drilling the sash. That approach
    minimizes warranty concerns. The space is on both the upper and lower
    rails.

    Certainteed replacement windows come with vinyl frames which fit into
    the pre-existing window opening. The frames have a hollow space which
    is deep enough to fit the recessed magnetic switch. Sometimes the
    switch can work loose if it's not seated in something thicker than the
    vinyl frame. To prevent this, smooth a tiny dab of RTV (silicone
    caulk) around the switch before seating it in the hole. This will also
    prevent water seepage, though most such window frames have weep holes
    to allow any water that does get in to run out.

    Note that Certainteed's warranty does provide an out for them if they
    believe your work has contributed to any damage. They state,
    "CertainTeed shall have no liability under this warranty for: A.
    Defects or failure caused by improper handling or storage or by
    installation not in strict adherence with CertainTeed's written
    instructions." That would certainly include damage caused by drilling
    the sash since they make no mention of it in their installation
    instructions.

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass
    Badd Home Electronics
    www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
     
  5. ABLE_1

    ABLE_1 Guest

    Thanks for the input. These windows are the Bryn Mar II units. I doubt it
    will make much difference but I will look into the possibilities of what you
    have indicated.

    Thanks.

    Les
     
  6. Thanks for the input. These windows are the Bryn Mar II units. I doubt it will make much difference but I will look into the
    Les,

    You're most welcome. Looking at the brochure on the Bryn Mr II, it appears you have enough room to fit a rare earth magnet on the
    bottom. I can't tell for sure about the top rail though because the image isn't clear enough. If you send me your address I'll
    mail you a couple of sample magnets. Try it out -- CAREFULLY -- and if both sashes will close without being forced you're in
    business.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    4883 Fallcrest Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34233
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  7. ABLE_1

    ABLE_1 Guest

    Robert,

    Thanks for the offer. I already have some of the rare earths. That is not
    a problem. My challenge is that the customer is 55 miles away and need to
    make one trip. I have to go there after the windows are installed minus the
    trim and be loaded for all possibilities. My biggest fear is that the
    contractor will rip the wires out and cause me major grief.

    Thanks again,

    Les
     
  8. Robert,
    No problem. I suspect you'll be ok on this, Les. Given the round trip distance involved, I'd call Certainteed and get exact
    dimensions. They might even fax you a schematic if you ask. Her'e's their number. 800-233-8990.

    Damage from other tradesmen is always an issue. If the home already belongs to your customer, you're in a better position to deal
    with it though. In future consider including in your agreement a statement that the customer is liable for any additional, labor,
    materials, etc., required to complete the job should anyone not working for you damage your work. This works especially well if you
    have the client agree to notify you when your work can be done -- that is, when he expects the framing and other rough-n work to be
    completed but before the insuilation goes in. This puts the onus of choosing the right timing on the clint and since it's his
    project that is a unreasonable burden.

    I've prewired countless homes over the years and though the insulators can occasionally cause problems I've found that by doing my
    work the day before they arrive I avoid a lot of cut wires. I got out of it six+ years ago when I sold the installing company. Now
    I just do online sales to DIYers. Though I enjoyed it for many years, I don't miss it. Selling online and by phone is fun and it
    gives me the freedom to do a lot of things with my family that I never could before.

    BTW, the worst prewire I ever had to work on actually was a free job I did for my sister. She was building a new home and I
    prewired her security system for her. It was a long drive from my home so I took a weekend off to prewire and test everything,
    including installing the switches (I always preferred doing that during the prewire). After checking everything I left.

    A few weeks later I came back to finish up and nothing worked. I pulled out one recessed contact after another and found every wire
    had been cut and, worse, the service loops had been cut off. I had to retrofit the whole system. It turned out that her next door
    neighbor was PO'd because the builder had sold the lot to my sister rather than him. He wanted to keep it vacant because the new
    home would block his view! He apparently got into some trouble for vandalizing the property, taking construction materials or some
    such thing. I had known he was a problem neighbor but it never occured to me how much of one. The weird thing is this was an
    educated guy, en electrical engineer.

    Anyway, best of luck on the project.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    4883 Fallcrest Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34233
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
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