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kerry wise

Jan 1, 1970
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Does anyone know anything about Robin engines? Harbor freight sells Chicago
Electric generators which use these engines and claims that they "...are
better quality, run quieter, last longer, and are easier to start and
maintain than Honda engines." Any opinions?

Thanks.
 
M

Me

Jan 1, 1970
0
Ulysses said:
Got any information to back up the brushless generators can't start the
inductive loads "fact?"

That is just plain BS. Most of the BIG diesel gensets (250Kw - 1200Kw)
use Brushless Generators, and they start BIG inductive loads most of the
time. It is much easier to design closed loop regulators for a
Brushless design than one with brushes.



Me
 
R

Robert Morein

Jan 1, 1970
0
Me said:
That is just plain BS. Most of the BIG diesel gensets (250Kw - 1200Kw)
use Brushless Generators, and they start BIG inductive loads most of the
time. It is much easier to design closed loop regulators for a
Brushless design than one with brushes.
Would appreciate some detail on that. Why is it easier?
 
H

Hairy Arse

Jan 1, 1970
0
Me said:
That is just plain BS. Most of the BIG diesel gensets (250Kw - 1200Kw)
use Brushless Generators, and they start BIG inductive loads most of the
time. It is much easier to design closed loop regulators for a
Brushless design than one with brushes.

I think the thing here is you can't expect a 4500 watt brushless genny head
to start up a 4500 watt induction motor,

A few weeks ago i bought a cheap 2 stroke generator, it was a really small
unit.. rated at 950 watts max output power (at 230 volts.. i'm in the UK) it
was a brushless generator head.


i bought it to power my motorhome's battery charger.. a switched mode 20 amp
4 stage charger,
and the only other mains item in my van appart from the 3 way refridgerators
mains heating element (a 120 watt resistive load) is a 500 watt cooking
power microwave.. 900 watts input power.

When i read the gennie's instructions booklet through, it pointed out the
power factor thing,
sure the generator will put out 950 watts.. but for about 10 seconds...
it'll supply 650 watts for ever tho, BUT only through a purely resistive
load.. i.e i could run a 650 watt light bulb off the generator and it'd be
fine.

BUT it showed it could only run a 250 watt induction motor,

When i tried to power the microwave from the generator.. the engine bogged
down, so much that i measured 180 volts from the AC outlet, the microwave
was obviousely under performing, and would hardly heat anything up, i didn't
try it too long to reduce dammaging the microwave.

I tried running a few universal motors on the genny.. a 500 watt electric
drill.. it powered this up.. but took a while to get upto speed,
i tired a 9 inch angle grinder.. ok this had a 2000 watt motor in it, but i
wasnt going to put any load on it, so it should power up.. it did.. took
about 20 seconds to come upto speed tho.

Then i tried a few induction motors, first the bench grinder.. 320 watt
load, it struggled like hell to start that, but did eventually do it, but it
just couldent sustain the power very well, try grinding and apply too much
pressure and the motor would stall, and the genny engine bog like hell.

I tried my little 270 watt bench drill, same problem, took ages to start up
and come upto speed, i could apply some force to the chuck and the motor
would slow but not try to stall as much as the bench grinder.

I took the genny back to the store i got it from, and i'll be building my
own 12 volt DC generator sometime soon (small lawnmower type engine coupled
to a trucks 100 amp alternator, charge the van's battery bank fast through
an advanced alternator regualtor, and can run mains stuff via my inverter)

But reading through the home brew generator building web sites, they all say
the same thing about power factor when using a brushelss motor for a genny
head, you can only run another brushless motor powered by a brushless genny
head if the motor is rated at about 30% of the power the genny head is rated
at.

Get a brushless generator, and try to start different induction motors with
it, then you'll see for your self what's true and what's not.
 
J

John Bengi

Jan 1, 1970
0
Hairy Arse said:
I think the thing here is you can't expect a 4500 watt brushless genny head
to start up a 4500 watt induction motor,

A few weeks ago i bought a cheap 2 stroke generator, it was a really small
unit.. rated at 950 watts max output power (at 230 volts.. i'm in the UK) it
was a brushless generator head.


i bought it to power my motorhome's battery charger.. a switched mode 20 amp
4 stage charger,
and the only other mains item in my van appart from the 3 way refridgerators
mains heating element (a 120 watt resistive load) is a 500 watt cooking
power microwave.. 900 watts input power.

When i read the gennie's instructions booklet through, it pointed out the
power factor thing,
sure the generator will put out 950 watts.. but for about 10 seconds...
it'll supply 650 watts for ever tho, BUT only through a purely resistive
load.. i.e i could run a 650 watt light bulb off the generator and it'd be
fine.

BUT it showed it could only run a 250 watt induction motor,

When i tried to power the microwave from the generator.. the engine bogged
down, so much that i measured 180 volts from the AC outlet, the microwave
was obviousely under performing, and would hardly heat anything up, i didn't
try it too long to reduce dammaging the microwave.

I tried running a few universal motors on the genny.. a 500 watt electric
drill.. it powered this up.. but took a while to get upto speed,
i tired a 9 inch angle grinder.. ok this had a 2000 watt motor in it, but i
wasnt going to put any load on it, so it should power up.. it did.. took
about 20 seconds to come upto speed tho.

Then i tried a few induction motors, first the bench grinder.. 320 watt
load, it struggled like hell to start that, but did eventually do it, but it
just couldent sustain the power very well, try grinding and apply too much
pressure and the motor would stall, and the genny engine bog like hell.

I tried my little 270 watt bench drill, same problem, took ages to start up
and come upto speed, i could apply some force to the chuck and the motor
would slow but not try to stall as much as the bench grinder.

I took the genny back to the store i got it from, and i'll be building my
own 12 volt DC generator sometime soon (small lawnmower type engine coupled
to a trucks 100 amp alternator, charge the van's battery bank fast through
an advanced alternator regualtor, and can run mains stuff via my inverter)

But reading through the home brew generator building web sites, they all say
the same thing about power factor when using a brushelss motor for a genny
head, you can only run another brushless motor powered by a brushless genny
head if the motor is rated at about 30% of the power the genny head is rated
at.

Get a brushless generator, and try to start different induction motors with
it, then you'll see for your self what's true and what's not.
Thiose induction motors are based on a phase shift of a certain angle range
to cause propulsion in the armature. This phase shift is based on a delay at
a certain frequency 50/60 Hz. When you throw harmonics from a bad waveform
at the beast, the delay or phase shift may be much more of the frequency
waveform cycle and can now be completely out of phase causing reverse torque
action in the motor. So you have the fundamental 50/60 Hz causing forward
propulsion and the higher frequencies, harmonics, causing reverse. In
addition the higher frequencies cause eddie currents in the metal cores and
result in heating and all kinds of wasted power.
 
M

m II

Jan 1, 1970
0
John said:
Thiose induction motors are based on a phase shift of a certain angle range
to cause propulsion in the armature. This phase shift is based on a delay at
a certain frequency 50/60 Hz. When you throw harmonics from a bad waveform
at the beast, the delay or phase shift may be much more of the frequency
waveform cycle and can now be completely out of phase causing reverse torque
action in the motor. So you have the fundamental 50/60 Hz causing forward
propulsion and the higher frequencies, harmonics, causing reverse. In
addition the higher frequencies cause eddie currents in the metal cores and
result in heating and all kinds of wasted power.


Old habit die hard, Eh, GymmieBoob....






mike
 
B

Bruce in Alaska

Jan 1, 1970
0
Robert Morein said:
Would appreciate some detail on that. Why is it easier?

I think were have a problem in the definition of Brushless AC Generators
going on in this thread. First off, for the most part, REAL Brushless AC
Generators are actually, two generators sitting on the same shaft, and
they have two seperate sets of nonrotating windings in the housing.
There are the MAIN Sator Wingings which are connected to the LOAD,
and the Primary Exciter Windings that are driven by the Voltage
Regulator. Neither of the these two windings rotate but are fixed
in the housing of the Genset. Now Second, we have the two windings on
the rotating shaft. There is the Exciter Secondary Winding that turns
inside the Primary Exciter Winding, and generates power that is then
RECTIFIED, and feed into the Main Rotating Field Winding that rotates
inside the fixed Main Sator Winding, that the load is connected to.
The Voltage Requlator taps the output of the Main Sator Winding
and then drives the Primary Exciter Winding so as to keep the Output
Voltage at the rated voltage, via a Closed Loop Regulation System.
See...... No Brushes Required..... and not detrimental to driving
BIG Inductive Loads.

Now if one were running an Induction AC Generator, things are very
different, when driving inductive loads.

Don't confuse the two different systems, as they are both "Brushless"
but the former isn't effected by the inductiveness of the load nearly
as much as the later.


Bruce in alaska
 
D

daestrom

Jan 1, 1970
0
Hairy Arse said:
I think the thing here is you can't expect a 4500 watt brushless genny
head
to start up a 4500 watt induction motor,

A few weeks ago i bought a cheap 2 stroke generator, it was a really small
unit.. rated at 950 watts max output power (at 230 volts.. i'm in the UK)
it
was a brushless generator head.


i bought it to power my motorhome's battery charger.. a switched mode 20
amp
4 stage charger,
and the only other mains item in my van appart from the 3 way
refridgerators
mains heating element (a 120 watt resistive load) is a 500 watt cooking
power microwave.. 900 watts input power.

When i read the gennie's instructions booklet through, it pointed out the
power factor thing,
sure the generator will put out 950 watts.. but for about 10 seconds...
it'll supply 650 watts for ever tho, BUT only through a purely resistive
load.. i.e i could run a 650 watt light bulb off the generator and it'd be
fine.

BUT it showed it could only run a 250 watt induction motor,

When i tried to power the microwave from the generator.. the engine bogged
down, so much that i measured 180 volts from the AC outlet, the microwave
was obviousely under performing, and would hardly heat anything up, i
didn't
try it too long to reduce dammaging the microwave.

I tried running a few universal motors on the genny.. a 500 watt electric
drill.. it powered this up.. but took a while to get upto speed,
i tired a 9 inch angle grinder.. ok this had a 2000 watt motor in it, but
i
wasnt going to put any load on it, so it should power up.. it did.. took
about 20 seconds to come upto speed tho.

Then i tried a few induction motors, first the bench grinder.. 320 watt
load, it struggled like hell to start that, but did eventually do it, but
it
just couldent sustain the power very well, try grinding and apply too much
pressure and the motor would stall, and the genny engine bog like hell.

I tried my little 270 watt bench drill, same problem, took ages to start
up
and come upto speed, i could apply some force to the chuck and the motor
would slow but not try to stall as much as the bench grinder.

I took the genny back to the store i got it from, and i'll be building my
own 12 volt DC generator sometime soon (small lawnmower type engine
coupled
to a trucks 100 amp alternator, charge the van's battery bank fast through
an advanced alternator regualtor, and can run mains stuff via my inverter)

But reading through the home brew generator building web sites, they all
say
the same thing about power factor when using a brushelss motor for a genny
head, you can only run another brushless motor powered by a brushless
genny
head if the motor is rated at about 30% of the power the genny head is
rated
at.

What you describe is not a function of the type of excitation system used on
the generator, but an undersized prime-mover for the generator. If it 'bogs
down' and slows when under load, it is the *engine* that is
under-performing, not the voltage regulator and generator exciter. Still
not a desirable situation, but not the same thing.

FWIW, I work with some large diesel units that have brushless excitation
systems. During starting, the regulator cuts in DC supply from battery for
a few seconds, then is entirely self-excited once up to speed. These units
start all sorts of induction loads quite well. The largest unit, a 2800kW
diesel gen set starts a 2500 hp pump. When *that* motor starts, the diesel
engine 'bogs' down to about 35-40 hz. Then the governor (an old-fashioned
Woodward) bring the engine and pump back up to full speed in about 10
seconds. (and the sky outside the diesel room fills with black smoke ;-)

daestrom
 
M

m II

Jan 1, 1970
0
shylørk said:
My my, there are trackmarks everywhere here in back of ye.

From: "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]>
From: "Gymmy Bob" <[email protected]>
From: "Gym Bob" <[email protected]>
From: "Gymn Bob" <nothanx_AT_spam.me>
From: "Gìmmìe Bob" <noway_AT_spam.me>
From: Gym Blob <[email protected]>
From: "John Bengi" <JBengi@yahoo,com>
From: "Pizza Gurl" <[email protected]>
From: "Pizza Girl" <[email protected]>
From: "Pizzar Girl" <Opera7.20/Win32 M2 build 3144>
From: "Piezzo Guru" <[email protected]>
From: "Piezo Guru" <[email protected]>
From: "t@z" <t@[email protected]>


Try this group for a few dozen more names. The maroon sometimes has five or six
personas going in the same thread. He calls himself names. This is the beauty of
the Canadian Health Care system. He could never afford all the psychotropic
medication he is now addicted to in the US.


alt.binaries.crafts.pictures

Oh. yes..they steal copyrighted material in that group, defrauding the
legitimate creators of their rightful income.


mike


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We need less morons like another clone of Moron II here.
## My fifteen minutes of FAME! ##

Everybody is a complete moron except me

Moving energy and creating it are different things.
(Gimmie Bob and the first law of thermodynamics)

It doesn't matter what you say...it's wrong!

My bozo bin is getting rather large with all the swollen heads here in it.

Your car alternator will charge your car batery up to 15.4 volts in cold
weather.

NTSC redefined it slightly off 60Hz so that power supply ripple
will move on the screen (two slightly black bands that scroll
up/down your screen

Portable humidifiers do not typically use heat to evaporate the water. The heat
from the room is used.

You sure spent a lot of time trying to convince me you don't knwo what I am
talking about...LOL

You babies are a blast like RC toys to play with!

I am the only one that can be right

Voltage does not indicate state of charge well.

At 11.6 volts a 12v battery is about 50-70% charged still.

Polish solar panels are what americans called "flashlights"

We have to consider the DC/DC inverter in between that can act as a step up for
current since the batteries cannot use the high voltage from the panels in full sun.
##unaware what flooded cell batteries do to solar panel output voltage##

There should be subsidies for solar panels but control of prices to boot.

Propane will disapate and freeze when it evaporates.

Gasoline is not nearly as volatile as hydrogen.

When I use pot I imagine everythging is perfect.

Perhaps you should only spoeak on things you know something about.

Many people have browsers that economize the download

Just another threading error creating confusion

Learn how to thread or sit back and watch for a few years.

Try to stay on topic and on thread too bean brain.

Perhaps try Outlook Express or another browser that knows how to thread
posts.

Ohhhh. that's how it works here. If you put the boost to as many
concepts,ideas and posters as possible it makes you a better person?

Bottom posting was the was in the 70s and 80s before threading browsers were
available cheap like OE

Another Forte Agent person that doesn't understand threading.

You use Mozzilla and haven't learned to thread.

Try Outlook Express so you can understand threading maybe.

I have been noticing many threading errors everywhere on Usenet lately.

People with OE don't seem to have the petty problems with subject
lines changing, intermingled posts and downloading binary files with mixed
posts, random pieces and many other problems all the nonOE people have.

Bottom posting has been obsoletely by threading browsers.

Forwarding does not include headers.

Call your damn ISP and tell them your browser is multiple posting.

90% of the people in America have never operated a computer.

Sorry, My browser cuts off long posts to reduced bandwidth on my 300 baud modem.

Let's say youre solar cell was trying to put out
14.3 volts DC and you stuck a 10 ohm meter in series with a charged 13.8
volt DC battery.

Your troll was too obvious. Try to engage the mark in conversation first so
there is, at least, some stake, like friendship for the person listening.
When the friendship is well developed then attack. Not too obvious at first
or you will lose your audience. This will enhance your troll points.

I think outside opinions are worth much more than sales hype from the
company that made the product.
## Referring to *factory* charging specifications for the batteries they make ##
This is good to know. However I tend to go by the manufacturer's information.
They provide the warranty.

This is power grid induction through capacitive proximity

You can get fooled with another ground in the house finding it's way back to the
transformer neutral.

A thought I have is rain water from a roof on a three story home through a
micro-turbine.

Setback thermostats only work efficiently for small differentials, dependant
on the time duration.

Breakers are good for one time usage of one fault and then they need to be
replaced for any warrantied usage.

If the breaker interupts a fault, it should be replaced.No warranty will
honoured after that.

This newsgroup is full of selfproclaimed experts like you.

I don't have a link at this time

There are no hydrogen molecules in water and the oxygen in water isn't
flammable either.

Water is inert and contains no energy to be used. Get some basic chemistry
first.

Quite simply put, for some of the boneheads here.

Most conclude their isn't many knowledgeable people here. I do.

NiCads and NiMh batterries are designed to take a current charge forever.

Oh yeah, I can charge a battery and use it six months later fully charged.
The nicads will be cooked because you keep them on charge, just in case you
need them but when you remember them six months later they are cooked and
won't last 5 minutes in the camera.

Hopefully his AGM battery is larger than a AA NiCad that could absorb this
charge current forever.

It takes a complete idiot to deny they can short out all by themselves.
Three, loose in a bag can short themselves out.
## referring to AA batteries doing the physically impossible ##

Did they have electricity back in 1994?

I have been around so long with this stuff I believe I invented the diode in
1941 but I am not familiar with the solar panel usage requirements of them.
(no P & N substrate explanations please. I wrote the GE manual...LOL)

NOTE: do not pass ground wires through metal holes or cable clamps with two
screws on a metal surface.

There is **NOT*** enough energy in a lightning bolt to power your house for
more than an hour...if that. Do the math.
The figures escape me but let's say it puts out a roughly MWatt of power for
100 nanoseconds?
100 x 10-9 x 1 x 106 / 3600 (sec/hr) = 0.0027 wH
oooops.... Wouldn't light your home for a 1/2 second.
OK..OK.. multiply the figures time 100 or 1000. Now it would light a 100W
bulb for 1 second.

The IEEE-232 standards were never followed or known by many.

Fossil fuels are still renewable and being cxreated as we speak.

Children are venerially created.

If you want to discuss this then fine, otherwise go **** yourself like your
mother did.

Can you let go of my dick before it explodes on ya, goofball?

Petroleum is not related to Natural gas.

I would rather work at my $100/hour job than at chopping wood for hours to
save $3/hour

I have no license, I wire and inspect other's wiring for a job and work for
a medium size electrical utility.

My workplace has been throwing out huge digitizing pallettes (like 24 x 36" units)
## in alt.sewing.mach-embroider ##

As a design engineer of transformers for 10 years I happen to know you are full
of shit.

I am a Protection & Control Tech by profession and have experience with control
systems

BTW Watts / AC voltage does not equate to any amps.

Try spelling "bus" correctly! Maybe your brain will start again. Probaby not,
you fucking loser.
## Referring to the correctly spelled word 'buss' as used in real electrical
terminology ##
## http://tinyurl.com/5ctml ##

X10 signals are transmitted just after the voltage waveform zero crossing.
This is in order to avoid conflicts with SCR and Triac peak waveform
switching spikes from load type devices such as lamp dimmers.
## control module misinformation ##

Besides when they on any line they will pull of the meter as a disconnect point.
## speaking of power line guys miles away removing YOUR electrical meter for
THEIR safety ##

The majority prefers top posting.

Not one of your suggesters listened to what the OP requested...LOL

Get your tear ducts flushed by a knowledgeable optometrist.

Not many materials have the huge exponential resistance/heat curve aluminum
does. Overload doesn't make it glow like copper...it flashes and explodes.

A bathroom fan motor would never push hot air down ten feet or cold up ten
feet.

Bathroom fans have a hard time pushing 55 cfm through a 3-4" pipe 20
horizontal feet. They are made to vent smells and humid air horizontally
only.

Why not spend the money on a contract with the grid company and get an
exclusive line to your house and never have brownouts.

Usenet rules dictate top posting for readability

Many cell modems are set up to filter bottom posts out.

Cell modems do not cut off anything.

What security flaws.
##referring to Outlook Express##

10 pounds per gallon Imperial. That gallon is totally unique to the
US....ooops..I think all gallons are unique to the US now.

The standard Imperial gallon the whole world used weighs 10 pounds exactly.

The copper isn't worth more than 5 cents per pound. It is classed a mixed
copper and nobody wants it.

Hey moron! The copper is considered "mixed" copper and is worth about $0.02
per pound, if he seperates it all.

Just don't ever lose weight. Toxins are stored in your fat cells.

Did you know, **NO***, I repeat ***NO*** death has ever been related to
PCBs?

Insulated square copper wires from a dry transformer are not 99% copper and
take a lot of work to remove the insulation.

I have tonnes of insulated copper wire if you want it. I think you could
almost have for the picking it up. How many bins can you take per year

50 lbs? We have it by the bin full. Mostly #6 to 650 MCM. I beleive you
would have to leave a bin and then pick it up full later to compete with the
current scrapper.

Can't this tranformer be used by somebody to generate a second 120V from a
single phase 120V inverter? It sounds pretty beefy.

BTW: once you knock the wedge out of the coil form the laminations will be
easier to get out. This keeps them from buzzing until the varnish and other
impregnations go into it.

All you guys have a bad Christmas or Jewish and didn't see Santa or something?

Run each signal twisted with a ground for noise. RD twisted with gnd as a
pair, TD twisted around ground as a pair etc... This means signal/logic
ground not power ground or case ground, if they are different. Do not
connect the other ends of the ground conductors.

Tar pitch in a flourescent ballast does ***NOT*** contain PCBs and probably
never did.

Religion is not genetic or even herodigious

I believe the warmest part of the lake is just below the ice. As the water
frezes it rises to the top and joins the other ice formations.

Gel cell won't cut it when it comes to putting out 100A or more. They cook in
one spot and the rest of the electrolyte doesn't circulate fast enough.

There is nothing standard about USanian measurements. They changed their
sizes to avoid trading with the rest of the world. This worked for a few
centuries but the rest of the world moved on to the metric system to avert
the confusion the US caused.

Ever put your ohmmeter (do I need to explain an ohmmeter also?) across a
capacitor? It measures infinity after charging to the supply voltage because the
electrolyte is an insulator.

Electrolytes are not conductors of electricity in a capacitor.

If the electrolyte conducted it would be a resistor.

I doubt they are 4 farads. More likely 4 microfarads uf.
## referring to 4000mfd caps ##

Sometimes it is an ego boost to have these so-called "professionals" come and
beg for information because they can't our toys do what the good guys can but I
would never hire them given a choice.

I have never had problems running RS232 at 19K2 through 14kV switchgear so far
but I use twisted pair and sheilded cable combos and observe allt he good
grounding techniques etc. The other engineers always want to ground both ends
but in an area with 10Kampere faults that isn't a good idea.

Try rereading what I posted and try a basic English comprehension course
before you make a complete fool out of yourself again.

Do you measure altitude in degrees? Many aeronautical people would disagree with
you.
## referring to solar azimuth/altitude thread ##

My house is filled with motion detectors. They don't all operate lights. They
mostly signal my house control computer and it decides what to do and when.

Enlighten please (like it really matters...LOL)

I will hand stitch my embroidery before I would pay that kind of money...LOL

A 50Hz transformer needs double the iron a 60Hz transformer needs for the same
VA capacity.

Does it test CTs with real current or just voltage?

It doesn't really matter where the secondary current comes from, secondary
exciting or primary current exciting, the voltage developed or excited across it
will be about the same.
## talking about an OPEN circuit CT transformer ##

High voltage spikes want to keep going at the end and this is where your
saturating core transformer core is located behind the fuse.

Moving a kill-a-watt unit around is like using it on somebody else's house and
telling the person's load.

oooops. A flourescent with a filament?
## not knowing how most fluorescents start up ##

You are a stupid basterd.

Ever considered anxiety medication? Chest pains for a man is a classic symptom.

When confronted with many websites stating the otherwise he won't address the
issue but repeats his crap again like a child stamping his feet.
## Oh, the Irony! ##

What are you doing up at this ungawdly hour? I just got finished embroidering
about 10 items, including a flight bag for golf clubs.
## in alt.sewing.mach-embroider ##

I just love women with front loading bobbins.
## in alt.sewing.mach-embroider ##

I doubt a 6 needle machine would be faster than a 1 needle machine unless you do
repetitive patterns.
## in alt.sewing.mach-embroider ##

I had many problems with this and damaged my machine a few times. It was the
needles. Find ones that have very little "hip" bump around the eye of the needle.
## in alt.sewing.mach-embroider ##

I have found doctors absolutely ignorant and totally obstinet on these kind of
issues.

I put my first child on Ritalin for a year or so when quite young. It beat going
to prison for beating him black and blue.

I made a big mistake and should have "drugged" all of my children the same.

Once again you are an ignorant asshole disguising your lack of confidence

I did the chem.cut medication stuff for a few years with my first child and then
found Naturopathic Doctors using homeopathy to get more lasting relief.

Homeopathics saved me thousands of dollars for operations I did not have on my
children

Accupunture worked for my 1 and two year old children for ailments after the
medical doctors could do nothing for.

Placebo is a completely natural cure for many ailments.

Polio Vaccine? They stopped giving that one long before HIV was invented.

You have no idea what you are talking about and either does anybody else here.

See if you can replace it with a thermal acting unit. They have a rachet on a
shaft that holds thew contacts closed.
## confusing motor overload with breaker ##

What are you doing in my group?

Milk is just plain poison for humans.

I am not a chemist but I know that cow's milk calcium molecules are a huge
irritant to human digestion and usually results in calcium deficiencies

See an accupunturist for the pain and circulation
See a chiropractor to keep the structure good.
See a naturopathic doctor for the chemical imbalance.
See a medical doctor for a some poison that will make her life shorter.

Even an honest Doctor will take yoy they arte totally ignorant of nutrition.

The medical doctors will play the time game and probably just let him die after
removing half his organs because they may be a problem.

Some things mankind should just not eat too much of and it isn't meat typically
and this may not be consistent for all people.

Do not listen to the stories of addiction. Yes, they are tough to stop but so is
insulin for a diabetic. I have stopped taking mine and it wasn't that bad but
after months of regressing I chose to return like the other half the population.

Make sure your wrists are well warmed up before putting sudden jerky movements
to them.

Make up your mind before you mouth off like the usual Internet piece of shit.
This is a rough group and if you had followed the usual recommendations you
would have known that and have nothing to say about it.
## in misc.kids.health, alt.support.breast-implant, misc.health.alternative ##

Bad practice to ground yourself when working on electronics. It increases the
chance of injury or death by electrical shock and also increases the chance of
static discharge to the circuit chips. Ground is a potential too.

Oink...Oink...just take it out. What could be simpler?
## in soc.support.fat-acceptance, alt.support.big-folks ##

No hyphen in the word multi-syllabic.

## Gymy Bob's endorsement of anal sex censored##
## sorry, I have my limits ##

A complete fucking idiot spurted out his piehole:
## in misc.health.alternative ##

I was born depressed and never realized until about 3 years ago. I am 52 and
went for medication because of anxiety.

The English can't stand each other, let alone other cultures.
If you don't believe me brother just ask the rest of my family that I
disowned.

I find most Americans likeable and they find me likeable after they open
their wallets far enough to make me that way.
How many american dollars will it take to make you suck their dicks?
## in alt.support.attn-deficit, misc.health.alternative ##

How much for a blow job?

Believe me, "America" is so far behind on internet usage over many South
American countries. They just don't happen to post in English and not many
of you could possibly understand other languages even exist.

WTF is CBT? Chekaslovakia Book Therapy?

Try your left hand. It feels like somebody else's hand sometimes.
## pdaxs.services.massage, misc.health.alternative, alt.backrubs,
alt.health.massage-therapy ##

OK, you're not a moron. You are above average for Nova Scotia.

Another tidbit for the brainless twit with the big mouth here

Pehaps magnesium supplementation would allow these buffoons to utilize some
of their already overloaded calcium intake.

This guy is a total buffoon and has no knowledge of any part of his own sentence.

Where should you shove it?

Fish oil is mainly responsible for your placebo also.
## in misc.health.alternative##

After disassembling Bill Gates' 6800 Basic back in the 70s I knew he was a dirty
software scoundrel.

The government makes more on the taxes than the tax rate when this is done.

Be blabest tofart.
## ???? in alt.comp.periphs.dcameras ##

Blood may be kept at a stable 7.4 pH but a piece of copper wire passes
electricity through it even though the number of electrons remains constant.
## in misc.health.alternative ##

I have had amazing effects from some homeopathic remedies and others did nothing.

These homeopathic know-it-alls drive me crazy with their 1880 knowledge.

Sorry, but testing has proven homeopathic remedies to be effective remedies.

I have taken a few homeopathic remedies that taste like crap. Funny how pure
water could do that.

Homeopathic remedies are very toxic substances and used because of their toxic
properties.

Standard homeopathic science.

Your ignorance of homeopathy does not mean it is useless.

Everybody always follows the screaming, left-wing, maniac, tooting we are all
going to die by doing another therapy.

I have had achilles tendonitus for the past 2-3 years now. I got rid of it
on one side by grinding out the bones spurs underneath with the side of a
screwdriver blade and lots of oil.

GET OFF THE WHEAT, CORN & OATS!!!

It doesn't matter how well it works if the doctor doesn't say so (with his two
years of college) then it just ain't so.

Heat pumps are 300% efficient when the weather is fine but the compressor
motors? hmmm about 60%.

You are obviously a moron and you keep repeating it here.
## referring to my corrections of his postings ##
 
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