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Bernhard Kuemel

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi sec!

Does the color with which ring cores are painted indicate magnetic
properties?

Thanks, Bernhard
 
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Shaun

Jan 1, 1970
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Bernhard Kuemel said:
Oookay. I have 3 yellow ones here, 2 small, 1 a little bigger, and a
green one. What does that mean?


Thx. Maybe I'll try it with wine ...

Bernhard

Allot of information about toroids and magnetic is corporate secrets. You
might find some information here:

https://www.amidoncorp.com/categories/8?page_number=1
click on the descriptions and it says what color it is. Not the best but
it's a start. click on page 2 also, do the same.

or here;
http://www.cwsbytemark.com/

Shaun
 
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Shaun

Jan 1, 1970
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Bernhard Kuemel said:
Oookay. I have 3 yellow ones here, 2 small, 1 a little bigger, and a
green one. What does that mean?


Thx. Maybe I'll try it with wine ...

Bernhard

A couple of things I forgot to mention:

Measure the outside diameter of the toroid in inches. (eg. for one that
is 0.255 inches is a T-25 core)

the size of the core determines in properties( microhenries per 100 turns)
as does the material that makes it up.
Those colors that you mentioned are common types.
The information that you get off the net will be the material type and some
properties and operating frequency.

I hope this helps

Shaun
 
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Michael Black

Jan 1, 1970
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Is colour significant on toroids salvaged from scrap motherboards?

They're often pale blue or yellow - I think I've seen red ones too.
There's no standardization for the color coding of toroids.

Decades ago, there was a certain consistency in hobby circles, because
virtually all toroids that got to hobbyists were from the same source,
and interestingly, that common source was not a manufacturer but a small
business that had set out to be the middleman, since the manufacturers
weren't wanting to sell in small quantities.

Then, toroids became a lot more common. Originally they'd only be seen
in non-consumer radio equipment, but eventually they became common
there (albeit just a few toroids per unit), likely dwarfing the numbers
used for non-consumer radio equipment.

Once that started happening, there was all kinds of opportunity to find
toroids at the surplus store, or in consumer electronics that begged to
be reused. But, without any information about who made the core, the
color coding meant nothing.

If it's in equipment, at least the context will provide some information
(and most of the time, it will be low frequency use, mostly power
supplies). A blank toroid at the surplus store doesn't offer such
information.

One generally has to wind a coil on the toroid, do some measurements
and then calculations with the results. The more detail you need,
the more effort has to be put in the testing. And then likely
you could have gotten an identifiable toroid direct from some company
that wouldn't have cost that much.

Michael
 
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Shaun

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael Black said:
There's no standardization for the color coding of toroids.

Decades ago, there was a certain consistency in hobby circles, because
virtually all toroids that got to hobbyists were from the same source,
and interestingly, that common source was not a manufacturer but a small
business that had set out to be the middleman, since the manufacturers
weren't wanting to sell in small quantities.

Then, toroids became a lot more common. Originally they'd only be seen
in non-consumer radio equipment, but eventually they became common
there (albeit just a few toroids per unit), likely dwarfing the numbers
used for non-consumer radio equipment.

Once that started happening, there was all kinds of opportunity to find
toroids at the surplus store, or in consumer electronics that begged to
be reused. But, without any information about who made the core, the
color coding meant nothing.

If it's in equipment, at least the context will provide some information
(and most of the time, it will be low frequency use, mostly power
supplies). A blank toroid at the surplus store doesn't offer such
information.

One generally has to wind a coil on the toroid, do some measurements
and then calculations with the results. The more detail you need,
the more effort has to be put in the testing. And then likely
you could have gotten an identifiable toroid direct from some company
that wouldn't have cost that much.

Michael


Michael,

There must be some consistency because if I look at Amidon, a popular
distributor, they carry products from 35 different manufacturers, and they
use a standard color coding.

Shaun
 
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legg

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael,

There must be some consistency because if I look at Amidon, a popular
distributor, they carry products from 35 different manufacturers, and they
use a standard color coding.

Shaun
The colour coding of iron dust cores marketed by Amidon are
specifically those of Micrometals. Other manufacturers have other
coding methods - the most common being labeling of the part, with core
colour denoting the type of material (iron dust, 'high-flux',
permalloy, molybdenum permalloy, sendust iron-silicon-aluminum,
iron-silicon, or whatever) not the graded permeability of the
composite mixture.

Coating of ferrites is an option - the colour coding here generally
denoting both the coating material type and coating thickness (with
characteristic voltage withstand and physical characteristics)
specified by the mfr.

Amidon is not a manufacturer of cores.

RKL
 
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Shaun

Jan 1, 1970
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legg said:
The colour coding of iron dust cores marketed by Amidon are
specifically those of Micrometals. Other manufacturers have other
coding methods - the most common being labeling of the part, with core
colour denoting the type of material (iron dust, 'high-flux',
permalloy, molybdenum permalloy, sendust iron-silicon-aluminum,
iron-silicon, or whatever) not the graded permeability of the
composite mixture.

Coating of ferrites is an option - the colour coding here generally
denoting both the coating material type and coating thickness (with
characteristic voltage withstand and physical characteristics)
specified by the mfr.

Amidon is not a manufacturer of cores.

RKL

I know Amidon is not a manufacturer, they are the distributor of 35
different manufacturers.

Shaun
 
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legg

Jan 1, 1970
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Interesting to me because Micrometals' name came up in searches for RF
transformer cores recently. Anyone know the title of a good book on winding
them? I can find cores fairly easily, good information on how to use them
seems harder to find, possibly.

Micrometals supply app notes for it's products.

http://www.micrometals.com/appnotes_index.html
http://www.micrometals.com/appnotes/appnotedownloads/ipcs4rfp.pdf

ARRL, RAC and RSGB members also offer tips and construction projects
in current publications and all over the web.

RL
 
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Michael Black

Jan 1, 1970
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Interesting to me because Micrometals' name came up in searches for RF
transformer cores recently. Anyone know the title of a good book on winding
them? I can find cores fairly easily, good information on how to use them
seems harder to find, possibly.
Doug DeMaw, who worked at the ARRL for many years, wrote
"Ferromagnetic-Core Design and Application Handbook", it's not clear
whether it's in print or not.

I've never seen it, but had the impression it was aimed at a market
somewhere beyond the ham market. So the tone is probably more like
a text book, but surely he'd have brought his long history with
hobby radio to it too. The hobby books tend to be of practical
matters, you need to go deeper in order to learn about outright
design.

That's the only title that comes to mind, I'm unware of what else
might be out there though surely other books exist.

Michael
 
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