RFID Toys

[Al]

The other day, a friend came over for lunch and brought a gift she had
received. It was a baby grand piano, about 1 foot long, that had a mouse
dressed in holiday clothes playing it.

OK, here's the good part. The tune it would play would be selected by a
1/8th inch block a little larger than a large postage stamp. Each of the
blocks she had looked like sheet music. On the front was printed the
name of the musical piece.

When you placed the block on the music stand, the mouse would play the
piano with that music. At the beginning and at the end, the mouse would
make comments.

It seems to me that the piano is activated by an RFID tag in the music
sheet block. It was very amusing to watch and play with.

Has anyone had any experience with these and knows how they work for
certain?

If you want to look it up, go here:

http://www.mrchristmas.com/product.php?line=Gold&cat=7&product=346

No, I am not afflicated with the product.

Al

PS: Oh, and why didn't I thing of that?

 

[Roger]

Could be RFID, but I could think of other techniques.


I assume it was contactless. A simple relaxation oscillator can produce
a wide range of frequencies easily detected by a uC using just a
capacitor. The advantage of this technique is that the "contacts" need
not be good, and may not even be exposed. Imagine an SMD capacitor
placed over a square with plates that correpond to the solder pads at
the end. Even if the contact area where covered by a thin film it would
be possible to get a variable frequency.

In the case of RFID, it could just be the simplest possible case, that
is a resonant circuit where you simply measure the frequency at which
the "arial" is most loaded, without actually modulating the carrier.

 

[krw]

Could be RFID, but I could think of other techniques.

From the page below (damned top poster):

"Using the newest technology (Radio Frequency Identification),
Maestro Mouse can play 24 favorite Holiday tunes on his baby
grand piano."

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:03:18 -0500) it happened krw

Maestro Mouse can play 24 favorite Holiday tunes on his baby
grand piano."

Not cheap, 55$.
http://homestore3.com/mrchristmas10.html
Great object to test you RFID jammer / eraser

 

[D from BC]

The other day, a friend came over for lunch and brought a gift
she had
received. It was a baby grand piano, about 1 foot long, that had
a mouse
dressed in holiday clothes playing it.

OK, here's the good part. The tune it would play would be
selected by a
1/8th inch block a little larger than a large postage stamp.
Each of the
blocks she had looked like sheet music. On the front was printed
the
name of the musical piece.

When you placed the block on the music stand, the mouse would
play the
piano with that music. At the beginning and at the end, the
mouse would
make comments.

It seems to me that the piano is activated by an RFID tag in the
music
sheet block. It was very amusing to watch and play with.

Has anyone had any experience with these and knows how they work
for
certain?

If you want to look it up, go here:

http://www.mrchristmas.com/product.php?line=Gold&cat=7&product=
346

No, I am not afflicated with the product.

Al

PS: Oh, and why didn't I thing of that?
..
------------
"Imagination is better than knowledge." (Einstein)

Maybe you need more knowledge on imagination

D

 

[Al]

Could be RFID, but I could think of other techniques.


I assume it was contactless. A simple relaxation oscillator can produce
a wide range of frequencies easily detected by a uC using just a
capacitor. The advantage of this technique is that the "contacts" need
not be good, and may not even be exposed. Imagine an SMD capacitor
placed over a square with plates that correpond to the solder pads at
the end. Even if the contact area where covered by a thin film it would
be possible to get a variable frequency.

In the case of RFID, it could just be the simplest possible case, that
is a resonant circuit where you simply measure the frequency at which
the "arial" is most loaded, without actually modulating the carrier.

No contacts that I could see.

Al

 

[Al]

On a sunny day (Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:03:18 -0500) it happened krw


Not cheap, 55$.
http://homestore3.com/mrchristmas10.html
Great object to test you RFID jammer / eraser

Aside from security tags, this is the first instance I had knowingly
come across an interesting application of RFID technology.

The "sheet music" has to be almost touching the holder for the gadget to
start working.

I no longer have access to radiography or else I would have taken one of
the "music sheets" and X-rayed it to see how it was configured. Anybody
actually taken one apart? Since it isn't mine, I won't do it.

Al

 

[krw]

Aside from security tags, this is the first instance I had knowingly
come across an interesting application of RFID technology.

The "sheet music" has to be almost touching the holder for the gadget to
start working.

I no longer have access to radiography or else I would have taken one of
the "music sheets" and X-rayed it to see how it was configured. Anybody
actually taken one apart? Since it isn't mine, I won't do it.

Anyone got a spectrum analyzer/antennas?

 

[Jan Panteltje]

Anyone got a spectrum analyzer/antennas?

Is it not 13.56 MHz? Short wave radio should do?
(There are also 2.45GHz tags, works up to 7 meters, but I think not these).

Just looked it up, it is 13.56 MHz with +-423kHz sidebands.
A lot of bandwidth!
So you should get a carrier at 13.137 and 13.983 MHz on the shortwave radio
too

 

[joseph2k]

Aside from security tags, this is the first instance I had knowingly
come across an interesting application of RFID technology.

The "sheet music" has to be almost touching the holder for the gadget to
start working.

I no longer have access to radiography or else I would have taken one of
the "music sheets" and X-rayed it to see how it was configured. Anybody
actually taken one apart? Since it isn't mine, I won't do it.

Al

My estimate is that all that is in the tag is a song ID. All the rest is in
the capacious and complex piano part.

 

[jasen]

My estimate is that all that is in the tag is a song ID. All the rest is in
the capacious and complex piano part.

probably, but there's room in a 64K mifare tag for a whole song...
and probabnly enough room in a 4K tag.

Bye.
Jasen

 

[Homer J Simpson]

probably, but there's room in a 64K mifare tag for a whole song...
and probabnly enough room in a 4K tag.

There were children's 'CD' players which had plastic 'CDs'. Clearly the disk
merely coded the internal player and had no music.











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[Al]

probably, but there's room in a 64K mifare tag for a whole song...
and probabnly enough room in a 4K tag.

Bye.
Jasen

After the first "music sheet" is left in place and the music has
completed, the toy will then play the others in random order. So the tag
must only have an ID in it for that particular song.

This has been a nice discussions. Thanks for all your inputs.

Al