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Kim

Jan 1, 1970
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Man, who would have known that the new RFID tags would stir up such a huge
storm. They will become mandatory for all Wal Mart (and most other stores)
suppliers to have on all of their items sold.
Heres a sample one of many:
http://vigilant.tv/article/2716/privacy-implications-of-rfid-tags

Any ideas for schematics that will kill off these id tags once the item gets
home?



Slightly off-topic, but for the last month I've been setting off the door
alarms at the local Wal-Mart while passing through them, and have been
seareched several times.. Nobody could figure out why, until a elderly
passer-by said, "are those steel soled shoes...thats whats doing it!". The
store security guy and I tossed one of my shoes through the door sensors,
and it promptly set off the alarm. Seems like my size 13 steeled soles are a
perfect match to the antishoplifting tags....just much harder to hide.
 
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Richard The Troll

Jan 1, 1970
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Man, who would have known that the new RFID tags would stir up such a huge
storm. They will become mandatory for all Wal Mart (and most other stores)
suppliers to have on all of their items sold.
Heres a sample one of many:
http://vigilant.tv/article/2716/privacy-implications-of-rfid-tags

Any ideas for schematics that will kill off these id tags once the item gets
home?

If you're not a thief, it will have already been deactivated, you stupid
****.

Good luck,
Richard the Troll
 
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imij

Jan 1, 1970
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???

most of the RFID tags are passive,

meaning that they are not active

so deactivation as you stated is not even an option.


actually the retailers do not want to pay the money for the machines
that deactivate the RFID


according to this site a microwave will kill, but they also say $20
bills blow up when hit them with the nuke

http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904rfidtagsexplode.html





the folowing was taken from
http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/RFIDposition.htm#Attach1

it talks about RFID killers and RFID blockers


A Critique of Proposed Industry Solutions

The RFID industry has suggested a variety of solutions to address the
dangers posed by RFID tagging of consumer products. Among them are
killing the tags at point of sale, the use of "blocker tags," and the
"closed system." We examine each strategy in turn.

KILLING TAGS AT POINT OF SALE

Some have proposed that the RFID tag problem could be solved by killing
the tags at the point of sale, rendering them inoperable. There are
several reasons why we do not believe this approach alone and without
other protections will adequately protect consumer privacy:

Killing tags after purchase does not address in-store tracking of
consumers.

To date, nearly all consumer privacy invasion associated with RFID
tagging of consumer products has occurred within the retail
environment, long before consumers reached the checkout counter where
chips could be killed. Examples include:

Close-up photographs were taken of consumers as they picked up
RFID-tagged packages of Gillette razor products from store shelves
equipped with Auto-ID Center "smart shelf" technology.

A video camera trained on a Wal-Mart cosmetics shelf in Oklahoma
enabled distant Procter and Gamble executives to observe unknowing
customers as they interacted with RFID-tagged lipsticks.

Plans are underway to tag books and magazines with RFID devices to
allow detailed in-store observation of people browsing reading
materials. This potential was demonstrated recently at the Tokyo
International Book Fair 2003. According to Japan's Nikkei Electronic
News, "By placing tag readers on the shelves of bookstores, the new
system allows booksellers to gain information such as the range of
books a shopper has browsed, how many times a particular title was
picked up and even the length of time spent flipping through each
book."

We recognize the need for stores to control shoplifting and make
general assessments to enhance operations. However, monitoring and
recording the detailed behaviors of consumers without their consent,
even if only within the store, violates Principles of Fair Information
Practice.

Tags can appear to be "killed" when they are really "asleep" and can be
reactivated

Some RFID tags have a "dormant" or "sleep" state that could be set,
making it appear to the average consumer that the tag had been killed.
It would be possible for retailers and others to claim to have killed a
tag when in reality they had simply rendered it dormant. It would be
possible to later reactivate and read such a "dormant" tag.

The tag killing option could be easily halted by government directive.

It would take very little for a security threat or a change in
governmental policies to remove the kill-tag option. If RFID tags are
allowed to become ubiquitous in consumer products, removing the kill
option could enable the instant creation of a surveillance society.

Retailers might offer incentives or disincentives to consumers to
encourage them to leave tags active.

Consumers wishing to kill tags could be required to perform additional
steps or undergo burdensome procedures, such as waiting in line for a
"killer kiosk" and then being required to kill the tags themselves.
Consumers who choose to kill the tags might not enjoy the same
discounts or benefits as other consumers, or might not be allowed the
same return policies. In many areas of privacy law, this retailer
incentive is recognized, and there are legislative prohibitions against
inducing the consumer to waive their privacy rights.

The creation of two classes of consumers.

If killing tags requires conscious effort on the part of consumers,
many will fail to do so out of fear, ignorance, or lack of time. Many
will choose not to kill the tags if doing so is inconvenient. (The
current "killer kiosk" requires loading one item at a time, a lengthy
and time consuming process.) This would create two classes of
consumers: those who "care enough" to kill the RFID tags in their
products and those who don't. Being a member of either class could have
negative ramifications.

BLOCKER TAGS

RFID blocker tags are electronic devices that should theoretically
disrupt the transmission of all or select information contained on RFID
tags. The proposed blocker tag might be embedded in a shopping bag,
purse, or watch that is carried or worn near tags with information
consumers want blocked.

Blocker tags are still theoretical.

According to our understanding, the blocker tag does not yet exist.
Until a blocker tag is built and tested, there is no way to know how
effective it will be and whether it can be technically defeated.

Encourages the widespread deployment of RFID tags.

The blocker tag might encourage the proliferation of RFID devices by
giving consumers a false sense of security. While the proposed
invention is an ingenious idea, it's one that could be banned or be
underutilized if consumers become complacent. It's also possible that
such an electronic device could be technically defeated either
purposefully or because it stops functioning naturally.

The blocker tag could be banned by government directive or store
policy.

Consumers could lose the right to use blocker tag devices if the
government deems that knowing what people are wearing or carrying is
necessary for national security. They might disallow the devices
altogether or name selective spaces in which blocker tags would be
disallowed. It is not inconceivable to imagine a ban on such devices in
airports or public buildings, for example.
 
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TCS

Jan 1, 1970
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Man, who would have known that the new RFID tags would stir up such a huge
storm. They will become mandatory for all Wal Mart (and most other stores)
suppliers to have on all of their items sold.
Heres a sample one of many:
Any ideas for schematics that will kill off these id tags once the item gets
home?

Do a google search for "nuclear bomb emp"
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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???

most of the RFID tags are passive,

meaning that they are not active

so deactivation as you stated is not even an option.

So, what are you trying to accomplish?


Thanks,
Rich
 
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Rheilly Phoull

Jan 1, 1970
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Kim said:
Man, who would have known that the new RFID tags would stir up such a huge
storm. They will become mandatory for all Wal Mart (and most other stores)
suppliers to have on all of their items sold.
Heres a sample one of many:
http://vigilant.tv/article/2716/privacy-implications-of-rfid-tags

Any ideas for schematics that will kill off these id tags once the item gets
home?



Slightly off-topic, but for the last month I've been setting off the door
alarms at the local Wal-Mart while passing through them, and have been
seareched several times.. Nobody could figure out why, until a elderly
passer-by said, "are those steel soled shoes...thats whats doing it!". The
store security guy and I tossed one of my shoes through the door sensors,
and it promptly set off the alarm. Seems like my size 13 steeled soles are a
perfect match to the antishoplifting tags....just much harder to hide.

Take one of the boots and apply vigorously to the tag.
 
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Mike Harrison

Jan 1, 1970
0
???

most of the RFID tags are passive,

meaning that they are not active

so deactivation as you stated is not even an option.


actually the retailers do not want to pay the money for the machines
that deactivate the RFID


according to this site a microwave will kill, but they also say $20
bills blow up when hit them with the nuke

http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904rfidtagsexplode.html

These nutters are so paranoid that they obviously haven't considered that maybe it's just metal
foil....
 
RFID is the most epic new second coming out of the "closet" today.
Thanks to people like Katherine Albrect founder of CASPIAN, more and
more consumers are becoming aware of the RFID movement and how it will
effect the consumers privacy rights and where the RFID will lead us
tomorrow. Katherine has a strong following from the web perspectives
other medias. We see leader's stepping up to the plate and expanding
the words of Katherine. Already there are hundreds of blogs and web
pages listing their concerns of what will become of the RFID. However
there are the Industry gazettes, journals and blogs where they spin
RFID as the best thing since apple pie.

* RFID Gazette (http://www.rfidgazette.org/), providing daily
RFID-related news
* The Future Is Here: A Beginner's Guide to RFID
(http://www.rfidgazette.org/2004/06/rfid_101.html), an RFID Gazette
essay. (June 2004)
* RFIDbuzz: Website (http://www.rfidbuzz.com/) and Wiki
(http://www.rfidbuzz.com/wiki/)
* RFID Journal: Michelin Embeds RFID Tags in Tires
(http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/269/1/1/)
* RFID Log (http://www.rfidlog.com/), industry news service on RFID
innovation, implementation and legal processes
* RFID News (http://www.rfidnews.org/), weblog and monthly
e-magazine covering the RFID Industry
* RFID and Contactless technology News
(http://www.contactlessnews.com/), free resource for breaking news and
research on the use of contactless and radio frequency identification
technologies. Profit, privacy, and the battle for control of the
emerging technology are frequently covered topics in this industry
leading resource.
* MoreRFID.com (http://www.morerfid.com/), free RFID information
site.
* RFID Global Resource Link (http://www.byvalor.com/), a
comprehensive directory for system integrators to have quick access to
all global RFID-related resources.
* RFID: Points of View (http://www.rfidpov.com) provides a central
resource for accessing a variety of stories on RFID

We the Opposition

* Stop RFID (http://www.spychips.com/index.html),
an activist site devoted to exposing privacy problems with RFID.
* RFID Consumers report (http://www.zombiewire.com/)

* EFF position on RFID
(http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/RFID/)
* RFID hand held Disrupter (http://tagzapper.com)

* See also privacy external links

So listing this we greatly give thanks to:

CASPIAN-founder Katherine Albrecht and

Zombie Wire RFID Consumer's News founder-James Mata

We here at UCSD would be honored to say we have you
to advocate for us the consumers.
 
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Zombiewire

Jan 1, 1970
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RFID - The Perfect Storm


ZombieWire RFID world News - Everything you need to know about RFID and
more.

(PRWEB) December 3, 2004 -- We the consumers are at a brink in life
where we will move from the simple task at the market place to purchase
supplies for home, office, motor home and others as you can imagine. We
walk in the store and purchase these items and hand down cash or card
for the items scanned using the barcode system. Seems pretty simple
however none threatening to your privacy. However these times have come
to an end. You might as well say it is at your door right now, but 90
percent of all consumers are non- aware of this fact. This reason is
that if that percentage knew of this fact then the process would stop
in its tracks because of what is behind the new movement and normal
people would not want it to continue with this.

Wal-Mart the "super power" monster store found a new direction in
how they will run their shop and being so they informed the supply
chain around the world to make it so with all products purchased by
Wal-Mart. Having mandated the supply chained complied and this set off
the shot heard around the business world. All retail competitors had to
follow the lead in order to compete. The mandate is that all items sold
via Wal-Mart will have a Radio Frequency Identification chip or in
simple terms RFID chip implanted in all products sold.What is an RFID?

What is RFID?Radio frequency identification, or RFID, is a generic term
for technologies that use radio waves to automatically identify
individual items. There are several methods of identifying objects
using RFID, but the most common is to store a serial number that
identifies a product, on a microchip that is attached to an antenna
(called an RFID transponder or an RFID tag).

AT this time as the Trojan horse at the door consequently there is
nothing we can do about it because the gears are in motion; however, we
need to learn everything we can about the RFID movement to maintain our
privacy rights. You will not be able to "sell" any products without
the RFID as you see in the barcode today. This RFID chip will go home
with you and one day your home will be filled up with RFID chips. How
would you feel if your home items were public knowledge from a certain
book you have to what style and size under pants? You ask how that may
become public awareness. Theoretically speaking if a van pulled out
side your home with a RFID transponder, there is way for that person in
the van to inventory your private life, and who knows what would take
place once that knowledge is out. You ever heard the saying "keep and
honest man honest: approach? Think about this!

Likewise, the RFID market has not stopped here and it will continue to
transpire to greater levels beyond our comprehension. There is a RFID
chip out now called the Verichip. This Verichip is imbedded in the
human body. This Verichip may store your Visa Card, bank debit card and
social security and other information that takes the place of your
purse.

The perfect storm: In theory, what will become of the Verichip by means
of how we see progress continue to unfold? Will the Verichip be mandate
as the RFID chip is mandate for all products you buy or sell?

I will leave you with this "Buyer Beware"

Get More RFID World News at http://www.zombiewire.com

# # #

Wednesday, December 01, 2004
RFID The Perfect Storm
RFID THE PERFECT STORM
By James Mata
Zombie Wire RFID World News
November 26 2004
 
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Ban

Jan 1, 1970
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RFID is the most epic new second coming out of the "closet" today.

The funny thing is that most of these guys carry a cellphone with them that
allows continuously locating them at *all* times and places and even to
listen to conversations. Much worse than a device with only a meter of
range.
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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RFID is the most epic new second coming out of the "closet" today.
[snip]

The sky is falling, I tell you, the sky is falling ;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
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Al

Jan 1, 1970
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Ban said:
The funny thing is that most of these guys carry a cellphone with them that
allows continuously locating them at *all* times and places and even to
listen to conversations. Much worse than a device with only a meter of
range.

Can't you just open your cell phone and paint over the gps antenna with
aluminium paint? My hand held GPS fails utterly when placed into
aluminium foil.

My cell phone is old enough not to have GPS installed and I'm not
replacing it until I'm forced to.

Al
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Can't you just open your cell phone and paint over the gps antenna with
aluminium paint? My hand held GPS fails utterly when placed into
aluminium foil.

My cell phone is old enough not to have GPS installed and I'm not
replacing it until I'm forced to.

Al

You need to study up on how cell phones work. They know which "cell"
you are in *without* using the GPS.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Ban

Jan 1, 1970
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Al said:
Can't you just open your cell phone and paint over the gps antenna
with aluminium paint? My hand held GPS fails utterly when placed into
aluminium foil.

My cell phone is old enough not to have GPS installed and I'm not
replacing it until I'm forced to.

I personally do not own or use cellphones. It is for those who have to be
always reachable, like a plumber or a webmaster. I do not think I belong
into this category.
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I personally do not own or use cellphones. It is for those who have to
be always reachable, like a plumber or a webmaster. I do not think I
belong into this category.

You must be unique among your countrymen.

"How do you call an Italian mobile phone?"
"There is no point; it's always busy."

(;-) (;-) (;-) (;-) (;-) (;-) (;-) (;-)
 
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TCS

Jan 1, 1970
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Can't you just open your cell phone and paint over the gps antenna with
aluminium paint? My hand held GPS fails utterly when placed into
aluminium foil.
My cell phone is old enough not to have GPS installed and I'm not
replacing it until I'm forced to.

Cell phone's don't have GPS unless you're talking about a pda with mapping
software. They use cell tower triangulation accurate to about 1000 feet.
 
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