removing zones from ADT system

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I bought a house last year with ADT alarm. There is no monitoring
contract as far as I know, ADT has never hassled us about leased
equipment or continuing an existing contract. The previous owners gave
us the master code. It is not currently being monitored, though we
find the chime feature whenever a window or door has been opened
useful so that's what we use it for. There are 3 ADEMCO 5850 wireless
glass break sensors that I would like to remove from the system as one
has gone bad (seems to short out any 9V battery I put in) and the
battery has run low on the other 2. My question is how to remove zones
from the setup? Searched this newsgroup and came up with some useful
info, but none regarding removing zones. This is my setup:

Ademco Vista 20SE control panel
Safewatch Pro 2000 keypad (ADT)
Alarmnet Ademco 7835c wireless receiver

I saw one posting about Vista 20SE needing a keypad for setup, but
instruction was for a different keypad than mine. Any help would be
appreciated...

 

[Crash Gordon]

Lithium 9v right?

You need the installer code not the master code, and a programming sheet for
the 20SE...and a programming keypad.

BTW...you can toss the 7835C in the garbage.

The rest is doable.

 

[JoeRaisin]

I bought a house last year with ADT alarm. There is no monitoring
contract as far as I know, ADT has never hassled us about leased
equipment or continuing an existing contract. The previous owners gave
us the master code. It is not currently being monitored, though we
find the chime feature whenever a window or door has been opened
useful so that's what we use it for. There are 3 ADEMCO 5850 wireless
glass break sensors that I would like to remove from the system as one
has gone bad (seems to short out any 9V battery I put in) and the
battery has run low on the other 2. My question is how to remove zones
from the setup? Searched this newsgroup and came up with some useful
info, but none regarding removing zones. This is my setup:

Ademco Vista 20SE control panel
Safewatch Pro 2000 keypad (ADT)
Alarmnet Ademco 7835c wireless receiver

I saw one posting about Vista 20SE needing a keypad for setup, but
instruction was for a different keypad than mine. Any help would be
appreciated...

While basic programming isn't too hard without an Alpha type keypad,
zone programming without one is something even experienced installers
would shy away from. (I'm sure there are exceptions here - but I sure as
hell ain't one of 'em)

The alpha keypad lets you know where you are in the program.

The 7835c ISN'T a wireless receiver - It's a cellular back-up unit that
won't work on the current networks so it is useless. You will need to
remove that from the program as well or the panel will complain about
either not seeing the network or not seeing the device.

If I were you, I would save my pennies and pick up a new alarm panel
(the new Vista 20PS is pretty much the same thing you got now - only
better) and alpha keypad on ebay. That way you will have the
documentation and hardware you will need. Also, if you go with the
newer Vista 20 the replacement will be simple since they are wired
identically.

Good luck.

 

[Jim]

Joe is right about the Vista-20P and the 6160 alphanumeric keypad. �Without
those and the documentation, the procedure can be a royal pain. �However, some
eBay sellers have sold used, locked Vista systems as new. �Only after
installing and powering up the system does the victim realize the panel can't
be programmed. �A few unscrupulous alarm dealers have done this repeatedly,
selling off used boards which they swapped out when taking over competitors'
systems. �The problem isn't too common but it does happen all toooften.

Unless you're lying again and just trying to badmouth installing
dealers as you always do, why don't you show some evidence that what
you say is true.

Whoooooops! Can't do it .... huh?

Well then, we'll just put it into that bottomless pit of your lies.

 

[FIRETEK]

Joe is right about the Vista-20P and the 6160 alphanumeric keypad. ?Without
those and the documentation, the procedure can be a royal pain. ?However, some
eBay sellers have sold used, locked Vista systems as new. ?Only after
installing and powering up the system does the victim realize the panel can't
be programmed. ?A few unscrupulous alarm dealers have done this repeatedly,
selling off used boards which they swapped out when taking over competitors'
systems. ?The problem isn't too common but it does happen all too often.

Unless you're lying again and just trying to badmouth installing
dealers as you always do, why don't you show some evidence that what
you say is true.

Whoooooops! Can't do it .... huh?

Well then, we'll just put it into that bottomless pit of your lies.


I read about a sales technique like this years ago, although I've never seen
it practiced before. He's very elegantly adopted many of the precepts to
fit his business. Perhaps some of you are familiar with "The Art/Science of
Selling Alarm Systems" by Norman Eisenstat. "Beware of the big bad
burglars!" only with Bass it's "Beware of the big bad alarm companies and
all those highly paid technicians that are just out to gouge you!" The
trick is to make sure he establishes a big enough "fear index" to make the
customer _want_ to "do-it-yourself".

I figure Bass has you all beat. I'd advise to retire now before you get
that pink slip.

 

[Jim]

I attended a seminar by Eisenstat once. �The man was neither an artist nor a
scientist. �He was an obscene, high-pressure salesman of the worstkind. �He
advocated lying to customers about virtually everything. �The truly disgusting
thing was seeing many of my competitors avidly taking notes. �After about 15
minutes I walked out.


You guys have it all wrong. �I love big, bad alarm companies and overpaid
technicians. �Customers who get tired of being gouged start to consider DIY
solutions. �By all means continue to overcharge your vict... er, clients.
Keep right on installing those inadequate, lick'n'stick alarms. �All that
sloppy workmanship and total disregard for your customers' security just
creates more business for those of us who actually care about our clients,
especially those with DIY stores likewww.


There's no need for me to even bother. �You're doing a bang-up jobof driving
homeowners and businesses my way without any help from me. �All I have to do
is offer professional systems at about 1/2 to 1/4 the price alarm companies
charge and they stream into

More precisely, you're beating yourself.


Don't bring Cracker into the conversation. �Thanks for sending your customers
around, friend. �I really appreciate it.

Ahh yes. The proverbial snake. The vile opportunist. The sly smile.
The innocence of subtlety. Offering pretty colors and stealth. Always
slinking around, waiting for an opportunity to poison someone else,
then swallow them whole.

 

[Jim]

I read about a sales technique like this years ago, although I've never seen
it practiced before. �He's very elegantly adopted many of the precepts to
fit his business. �Perhaps some of you are familiar with "The Art/Science of
Selling Alarm Systems" by Norman Eisenstat. �"Beware of the big bad
burglars!" only with Bass it's "Beware of the big bad alarm companies and
all those highly paid technicians that are just out to gouge you!" �The
trick is to make sure he establishes a big enough "fear index" to make the
customer _want_ to "do-it-yourself".

I figure Bass has you all beat. �I'd advise to retire now before you get
that pink slip. �-

This is much funnier than you expected. Dead man Bass has mentioned
before how much he dislikes Eisenstat. So it's really funny to see
that he is is viewed to have exactly the characteristics of someone
he's criticized.

Just another notch in the list of how he continuously shows how
disillusioned he is.

 

[FIRETEK]

I attended a seminar by Eisenstat once. The man was neither an artist nor a
scientist. He was an obscene, high-pressure salesman of the worst kind.

And you haven't been "obscene" or "high pressure"??

He advocated lying to customers about virtually everything.

And you haven't told a single lie?

The truly disgusting
thing was seeing many of my competitors avidly taking notes. After about 15
minutes I walked out.

You missed the part where your employee stayed to take the very notes you're
making use of today.

You guys have it all wrong. I love big, bad alarm companies and overpaid
technicians. Customers who get tired of being gouged start to consider DIY
solutions. By all means continue to overcharge your vict... er, clients.
Keep right on installing those inadequate, lick'n'stick alarms. All that
sloppy workmanship and total disregard for your customers' security just
creates more business for those of us who actually care about our clients,
especially those with DIY stores like www.BassBurglarAlarms.com.

Classic Eisenstat.

There's no need for me to even bother. You're doing a bang-up job of driving
homeowners and businesses my way without any help from me. All I have to do
is offer professional systems at about 1/2 to 1/4 the price alarm companies
charge and they stream into my www.BassHome.com website.

But your prices are ridiculously high when it comes to fire alarm product.
And in most states (and provinces), the "homeowners and businesses" couldn't
install them anyway.

More precisely, you're beating yourself.

Now you're being "obscene".

Don't bring Cracker into the conversation. Thanks for sending your customers
around, friend. I really appreciate it.

I haven't sent a single customer "your way", "friend". None of them would
be able to utilize "your services".

Gee... I must've hit a nerve.

 

[Doug]

I attended a seminar by Eisenstat once.
He advocated lying to customers about virtually everything.
Regards,
Robert L Bass

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http://www.bassburgIaraIarms.com
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Whereas you seem to prefer lying to everyone about everything.

Doug

 

[Jim]

And you haven't been "obscene" or "high pressure"??


And you haven't told a single lie?




You missed the part where your employee stayed to take the very notes you're
making use of today.







Classic Eisenstat.







But your prices are ridiculously high when it comes to fire alarm product.
And in most states (and provinces), the "homeowners and businesses" couldn't
install them anyway.





Now you're being "obscene".







I haven't sent a single customer "your way", "friend". �None of them would
be able to utilize "your services".

Gee... �I must've hit a nerve.

Not a hard target.

Besides being a fat slob, the only other thing he's got a lot of, is
nerve.
He's short on everything else.