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  1. Guest

    Hi

    I have an idea to remotely activate a switch by a radio transceiver. I
    have two applications at this moment. One is for an irrigation sensor I
    have invented. It works on evaporation and turns a switch on when a
    container of water loses weight and overbalances an arm. It activates a
    micro switch to do this. The sensor is best placed out in the field
    under the sprinklers that replace the water. However, a problem for
    some people is that a long length of cable has to be laid out between
    the sensor and the solenoid valve that the switch turns on. I thought a
    way to overcome the problem would be by using a common low cost radio
    transceiver. There are some at
    http://www1.electusdistribution.com...o+transceiver&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&SUBCATID=
    or you can do a search for radio transceiver on
    http://electusdistribution.com.au where I soon plan to place an order.
    I also read in the catalogue that they are voice activated.

    What I thought could be done is when the switch on the irrigation
    sensor turns on it would activate a buzzer and also turn on another
    switch wired into the transceiver to power it. The buzz would then be
    heard on the receiver piece of the transceiver that would be back near
    the solenoid valve. The receiver piece could hopefully be left on all
    the time and maybe even powered by the mains to save batteries. The
    buzz heard on the transceiver could then activate a sound sensing
    switch that could then activate the solenoid. A concern could be that
    the auto power off timer on the transceiver could cut power to the
    transceiver.

    I am also thinking of using a transceiver for a rain sensor I wrote
    about in an earlier thread. A rain sensor could be placed about 3 km
    away in the direction where the rain normally comes from. When the
    sensor gets wet. It would sound a buzzer that would activate the voice
    activated transceiver. The buzz would then be heard on the receiver
    part of the transceiver that would be in my house. This would alert me
    when a shower of rain is coming. When the rain sensor dries out the
    buzzer would stop. A circuit diagram of the rain sensor connected to
    the buzzer is at http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/science/015/ .
    I would also need to have it power a heater at the same time as the
    buzzer switches on. The heater would be placed under the sensor to
    evaporate the water so that it will reset itself quickly after the rain
    stops. The heater could consist of some resister wire wrapped around
    some steel that is covered in insulation tape. Would the existing
    circuit in the diagram with the SCR1 be able to also switch on a heater
    or would a relay also be needed?

    Would a transceiver be a good low cost way to remotely activate
    switches like this?

    For interest the irrigation sensor I invented is at
    http://www.advantagein.com/irrigation/

    Your help is appreciated,
    Regards Richard.
     
  2. two bob

    two bob Guest

    I used to play around with the tranceivers used in controller doors. Cant
    remember the brand (ademco???), but they had various models including one
    with almost a k range. Just a small mod to adapt the transmitter, and the
    receiver is an open cct board with a choice of momentary or latching
    contacts. No need to muck around with sound sensors, just wire it directly
    to the pump wiring via a hd relay.
    Where a larger range is required, a modified CB UHF radio works wonders. I
    set up a few to control boom gates to access remote coal mines.
     
  3. Guest

    Hi

    Thanks for your letter.

    For the first application I may be able to get away without a buzzer.
    However, for the second application for the rain sensor I think I would
    need buzzer. Don't you think so?

    Do you think the units at http://electusdistribution.com.au would be
    good for my purpose? If so, which ones should be ok or would any of
    them be fine?

    The info on 4 units http://electusdistribution.com.au is below.

    Could you draw or do you know of how one would be directly wired in via
    a Hd relay?




    STOCK-CODE: DC1040 RRP: $89.00

    40 Channel 1.5w UHF Pocket CB Radio


    Our most powerful unit has a range of up to 8km, and with a 1.5W
    output, it is certainly NO toy. This high-quality lightweight UHF
    transceiver is ideal for use in many professional and leisure
    activities, including hiking, camping, farming, building, inter-car
    road trip communication, IT & Electrical installation. The savings made
    over mobile phone calls would see these radios pay themselves off very
    quickly indeed!
    - Covers Australian 40 UHF CB channels and repeaters
    - Green backlit LCD screen
    - 1.5W maximum RF output
    - Range up to 8km
    - No license required
    - Low / High power setting
    - Fully compliant with Australian CommunicationAuthority guidelines
    - ACA approved
    - Uses 4 x AAA Ni-MH rechargeable batteries, not included (use our
    SB-1723)
    - Size: Body only 120(H) x 65(W) x 35(D)mm
    - Antenna length 57mm.





    STOCK-CODE: DC1010 RRP: $34.95

    40 Channel UHF/CB Pocket Communicator


    This lightweight handheld transceiver is suitable for all manner of
    professional and leisure activities such as hiking, leisure, use on
    building sites, IT-cablers, electricians, inter-car road trip
    communication, farming, etc. Open field transmission range is up to an
    incredible 5km, with typical city range up to one kilometre. Tested in
    the light industrial area of our Silverwater headquarters in Sydney,
    and we achieved a clear range of over 4 blocks.
    - Covers Australian 40 UHF CB channels and repeaters
    - Green backlit LCD screen
    - 0.5W maximum RF output
    - Range up to 5km
    - No license required
    - Uses 4 x AAA Ni-MH rechargeable batteries, not included (use our
    SB-1739)
    - Size; body only 105(H) x 60(W) x 35(D)mm.
    - Antenna length 50mm.





    STOCK-CODE: DC1025 RRP: $59.95

    40 Channel UHF Pocket CB Radio


    With the tremendous success of our DC-1010 transceiver, it is no wonder
    that it has been enhanced with even more features, and in a much more
    compact design. Features a recharging base that charger two
    transceivers simultaneously, so their ready to go when you are.
    Secondly, it has a 4 step scrambling function which allows you to
    communicate privately on what is normally a "public" broadcast.
    Includes one transceiver and charging base. Each transceiver is
    supplied with a rechargeable 650mAH pack however 3 x AAA batteries can
    be used in emergencies. Available accessories are hands free earpiece
    (DC-1039), 12VDC Car Charger (DC-1036), and VOX Headset (DC-1032, see
    page 17).
    - UHF FM transmission
    - No license required
    - 500mW output power
    - Up to 5km transmission range
    - 40 Channels and 38 sub-codes
    - Babysitter and monitor function
    - Dual watch function
    - VOX function
    - Auto power off timer
    - Stop watch function
    - Electronic volume
    - Repeater function
    - Automatic squelch function
    - Battery level indicators
    - Key lock function
    - Key tone function
    - LCD back-light function
    - Support external headset
    - Support external AC-DC charger
    - ACA approval
    One Transceiver with Charging Cradle Cat. DC-1025
    Extra Transceiver with Battery only Cat. DC-1028
    Spare Battery to Suit Cat. DC-1029




    STOCK-CODE: DC1028 RRP: $49.95

    40 Channel UHF Pocket Radio


    (Image shown is the DC-1025 model)With the tremendous success of our
    DC-1010 transceiver, it is no wonder that it has been enhanced with
    even more features, and in a much more compact design. Features a
    recharging base that charger two
    transceivers simultaneously, so their ready to go when you are.
    Secondly, it has a 4 step scrambling function which allows you to
    communicate privately on what is normally a "public" broadcast.
    Includes one transceiver and charging base. Each transceiver is
    supplied with a rechargeable 650mAH pack however 3 x AAA batteries can
    be used in emergencies. Available accessories are hands free earpiece
    (DC-1039), 12VDC Car Charger (DC-1036), and VOX Headset (DC-1032, see
    page 17).
    - UHF FM transmission
    - No license required
    - 500mW output power
    - Up to 5km transmission range
    - 40 Channels and 38 sub-codes
    - Babysitter and monitor function
    - Dual watch function
    - VOX function
    - Auto power off timer
    - Stop watch function
    - Electronic volume
    - Repeater function
    - Automatic squelch function
    - Battery level indicators
    - Key lock function
    - Key tone function
    - LCD back-light function
    - Support external headset
    - Support external AC-DC charger
    - ACA approval
    One Transceiver with Charging Cradle Cat. DC-1025
    Extra Transceiver with Battery only Cat. DC-1028
    Spare Battery to Suit Cat. DC-1029




    Your help is appreciated,
    Regards Richard.
     
  4. two bob

    two bob Guest

    Thanks for your letter.
    What range are you looking at?


    However, for the second application for the rain sensor I think I would
     
  5. Guest

    Hi

    Thanks for your letter.

    For the first application for the irrigation sensor it would probably
    be less than 500 meters

    For the second application for the rain sensor, I am thinking of
    possibly about 3km.

    Your help is appreciated,
    Regards Richard.
     
  6. Ed-

    Ed- Guest

    another unpaid net cop!
    who gives a ****

    :
    : using CB radios for remote controls may not be legal...
    :
    : Bye.
    : Jasen
     
  7. Guest

    Hi Jasen or whoever can help

    Thanks for the info

    Do you know what range the 433Mhz transmitters/receiver pair like
    jaycar cat# ZW-3100, ZW-3102

    I looked at a file on the site but could not see it.

    How hard would they be to wire up? Would they be harder than the
    earlier complete units I referred to? Also, would they have any
    disadvantages to the earlier units that I posted data on above?

    Your help is appreciated,
    Regards Richard.
     
  8. Guest

    Hi Jason or whoever can help

    Thanks for the info.

    Could you possibly draw a circuit diagram or know where I could find
    one of how the 433 MHz transmitters/receiver could be wired up for my
    purpose?

    It is probably easier to email me. My address is
    weather at truesolutions.info
    or you can go to http://weather.org.au/

    Do you know who may know more about them or who could help me wire them
    up?

    Perhaps an antenna could be connected to them to extend the range.

    Your help is appreciated,
    Regards Richard.
     
  9. quietguy

    quietguy Guest

    It might be worthwhile reading the Silicon Chips article (earlier this
    year) on using these modules - IIRC they were able to get well over a km
    range, but do not rely on my memory - check out their article for yourself

    David
     
  10. Guest

    Hi

    Thanks for your letter.

    Do you know the address of the webpage where I can find the article?

    Do you know anyone who could help me make up the circuit or do you know
    of any circuit diagrams of how it could be wired up for my purpose?

    Your help is appreciated,
    Regards Richard.
     

  11. Have a look at Silicon Chip November 2003 issue. There is an article
    'Smart radio modem for microcontrollers' which should explain all you
    need. The author also supplies kits. If you can't find SC in the
    library, get onto the SC website - siliconchip.com.au - the publishers
    can supply either a copy of the article or the whole magazine.

    Dave
     
  12. Guest

  13. If you bother to read the first page fully, you will see a line
    saying "click here for online access to the rest of this article" - if
    you click on this you can then buy online access to this article for
    $8.80.

    How much more hand holding do you need ?

    Dave
     
  14. Guest

    Hi

    Thanks for the info. The problem is I do not know much about
    electronics and have an enormous amount of projects to do and do not
    get time to make these things up. I would rather pay someone to make up
    the kit for me. They may also know of where the information can be
    freely found. I thought there may be many places where such information
    can be freely found which would be easier. Do you have any ideas of
    where I can search or who could help me make these things up?

    Your help is appreciated,
    Regards Richard.
     
  15. quietguy

    quietguy Guest

    The December 2005 issue of Siliconship has an article on the use of small
    xmitter/rec modules (the $10 ones from Jarcar) complete with a circuit to
    interface them with a PICAXE microcontroller.

    They obtained a range of about 1km using a coat hanger antenna

    David
     
  16. quietguy

    quietguy Guest

    Well gee whiz Richard - the other Dave and I have given you all the info
    you need to obtain an article complete with circuit etc on how to do what
    you want - need your bum wiped too?

    David
     
  17. Guest

    Hi David or who can help

    Thanks for your info on the range of the system. However, it would be
    better if it worked for 2 or 3 km line of sight for the rain sensor and
    by the looks of it the transmitter that you mention does not do that.
    However, the one you mention would be good for the irrigation sensor.
    The problem is as I said I do not have electronics experience and would
    need someone to help me make it up. Also I have so many other projects
    so time does not allow me to do the electronics. If you know anyone
    that can help, please let me know.

    For the rain sensor and maybe even the irrigation sensor I thought it
    could be easier if I went back to my original idea and just bought the
    transceivers that are made up. There are some at
    http://www1.electusdistribution.com...o+transceiver&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&SUBCATID=
    or you can do a search for radio transceiver on
    http://electusdistribution.com.au where I soon plan to place an order.
    I also read in the catalogue that they are voice activated.

    A leaf wetness sensor could be placed about 3 km away in the direction
    where the rain normally comes from. When the sensor gets wet. It could
    sound a buzzer that would activate the voice activated transceiver. The
    buzz would then be heard on the receiver part of the transceiver that
    would be in my house. This would alert me when a shower of rain is
    coming. When the rain sensor dries out the buzzer would stop. A circuit
    diagram of the rain sensor connected to the buzzer is at
    http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/science/015/ . I would also
    need to have it power a heater at the same time as the buzzer switches
    on.

    This may save a lot of wiring up. What do you think?

    Your help is appreciated,
    Regards Richard.
     
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