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Reduction in output by using pearl coating on GLS lamp?

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Alex Coleman

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm sure this has been asked here not that long ago but I can't find it!

What is the reduction in light output by buying a GLS lamp with a pearl
coating instead of clear? (All other things being equal.)

Am thinking of these in use in a regular household.
 
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TKM

Jan 1, 1970
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Ioannis said:
What's a "GLS" lamp? And by "pearl coating" do you mean what are more
commonly
called "inside frosted" lamps?

Assuming that we are talking about standard incandescents (all varieties)
and
the inside frosted finish, my PHILIPS catalog gives only one table with
lumen
output for both clear and inside frosted incandescents. I assume from this
that either there is no reduction at all or the reduction is so slight so
as
to not be worthy of mention on a separate table in the catalog for lamps
of
the same wattage.

This question brings back many memories. Historically, there was much
debate about light losses due to lamp coatings and the lamp engineers
struggled to gain diffusion with losses of only fractions of a per cent.

What I remember is:

- Inside frost (which is an acid etch process) is the most efficient -- no
light loss compared to a clear finish.
- Powder coatings (some manufacturers refer to these as "soft white") --
about 1% loss
- Paint or enamel coatings -- about 4% loss typically

A quick look at a couple of lamp catalogs and Lamps and Lighting (Coaton and
Marsden) indicate the above values are still O.K.
GLS = general lighting service. Applies to the widely used "A-line" (and
other) incandescent lamps intended for general use.

Terry McGowan
 
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TKM

Jan 1, 1970
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Ioannis said:
[snip]
This question brings back many memories. Historically, there was much
debate about light losses due to lamp coatings and the lamp engineers
struggled to gain diffusion with losses of only fractions of a per cent.

What I remember is:

- Inside frost (which is an acid etch process) is the most efficient --
no
light loss compared to a clear finish.
- Powder coatings (some manufacturers refer to these as "soft white") --
about 1% loss
- Paint or enamel coatings -- about 4% loss typically
[snip]

If I also remember well, the inside frost finish is, as you say, an acid
etching process. I think it's HF. But I've heard it can also be sand
blasting.

Seems to me both acid and powder coatings hope to simulate a Lambertian
surface and thus reduce brilliance. I think the powder coatings are a
little
closer to this, since with the inside frosting the visibility of the glass
cover is higher.

In any case, both my PHILIPS and Sylvania catalogs, have separate lumen
output
tables for coated and clear HID's, but not on inside frosted lamps.

Taking the 400W SON and SON-T high pressure sodium lamps, I see:

SON-T (clear) 38000 lm
SON (coated) 40000 lm

This is 2000 lumens lower in 40000. A loss close to 5%. So your figures
look
about right.

I took the HPS example because with HIDs which contain mercury the
diffusion
coating sometimes is fluorescent, so it might add lumens to the final
output.
Terry McGowan

Right. The acid is HF. The environmental problems involved in disposing of
used HF have hastened the end of inside frost lamp manufacturing. Sand
blasting works just fine too; but it weakens the glass. The HF frosting
process involves a series of acid baths proceeding from strong to weak acid
content. The idea is to etch the inside of the bulb; but then "round off
the edges" of the etched pits with weaker acid concentrations. That helps
strengthen the glass surface too.

One of the astonishing demonstrations in a bulb-blowing plant is to bounce a
glass lamp bulb off of a concrete floor. Take a clear bulb (no insides or
base) and drop it on its rounded end about a meter from the floor. It will
indeed bounce like a rubber ball.

Terry McGowan

Terry McGowan
 
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James Hooker

Jan 1, 1970
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The situation is maybe slightly different in Europe:
Old Pearl (acid etched) 0.5% absorption
New Pearl (powder coat) 2% absorption
Satin / Soft White / Opal 7% absorption

The Satin types give a much better diffusion and a softer light due to the
use of a thicker coating. However these types are almost exclusively
offered with Krypton gas instead of the usual argon. This boosts the
filament efficacy by 6-7% and compensates for the coating loss, so in
practice their lumen output is the same as with clear bulbs. The light is
also whiter, owing to the higher filament colour temperature that Kr
permits. The Krypton lamps are usually re-shaped from the traditional
A-bulb (pear shape) to the K-bulb (mushroom shape). The latter have a
smaller volume and contain much less of the expensive Kr gas filling, to
keep the costs down.

Incidentally for HPS lamps a thick coating is needed (about 5% absorption)
only to achieve the same diffusion effect as the fluorescent powder coating
on a mercury lamp. Then the two lamps will then give the same light
distribution pattern from the fixture.

Terry - you made a great comment about bouncing bulbs off a concrete floor.
I recently saw a similarly impressive demo at a ribbon bulb plant, where
they dropped a small piece of broken glass into the bulb and gently rattled
it around. With little effort it causes the bulb to shatter, nicely
demonstrating the stress distribution in the glass. The external surface is
thermally stressed to put the glass into compression, which makes it very
strong. However the internal surface goes into tension, when glass is at
its weakest. It was surprising to see how little shock on the inside will
break the glass.

James.




TKM said:
Ioannis said:
[snip]
This question brings back many memories. Historically, there was much
debate about light losses due to lamp coatings and the lamp engineers
struggled to gain diffusion with losses of only fractions of a per cent.

What I remember is:

- Inside frost (which is an acid etch process) is the most efficient --
no
light loss compared to a clear finish.
- Powder coatings (some manufacturers refer to these as "soft white") --
about 1% loss
- Paint or enamel coatings -- about 4% loss typically
[snip]

If I also remember well, the inside frost finish is, as you say, an acid
etching process. I think it's HF. But I've heard it can also be sand
blasting.

Seems to me both acid and powder coatings hope to simulate a Lambertian
surface and thus reduce brilliance. I think the powder coatings are a
little
closer to this, since with the inside frosting the visibility of the
glass
cover is higher.

In any case, both my PHILIPS and Sylvania catalogs, have separate lumen
output
tables for coated and clear HID's, but not on inside frosted lamps.

Taking the 400W SON and SON-T high pressure sodium lamps, I see:

SON-T (clear) 38000 lm
SON (coated) 40000 lm

This is 2000 lumens lower in 40000. A loss close to 5%. So your figures
look
about right.

I took the HPS example because with HIDs which contain mercury the
diffusion
coating sometimes is fluorescent, so it might add lumens to the final
output.
Terry McGowan

Right. The acid is HF. The environmental problems involved in disposing
of used HF have hastened the end of inside frost lamp manufacturing. Sand
blasting works just fine too; but it weakens the glass. The HF frosting
process involves a series of acid baths proceeding from strong to weak
acid content. The idea is to etch the inside of the bulb; but then "round
off the edges" of the etched pits with weaker acid concentrations. That
helps strengthen the glass surface too.

One of the astonishing demonstrations in a bulb-blowing plant is to bounce
a glass lamp bulb off of a concrete floor. Take a clear bulb (no insides
or base) and drop it on its rounded end about a meter from the floor. It
will indeed bounce like a rubber ball.

Terry McGowan

Terry McGowan
 
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Alex Coleman

Jan 1, 1970
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This question brings back many memories. Historically, there was
much debate about light losses due to lamp coatings and the lamp
engineers struggled to gain diffusion with losses of only fractions
of a per cent.

What I remember is:

- Inside frost (which is an acid etch process) is the most
efficient -- no light loss compared to a clear finish.
- Powder coatings (some manufacturers refer to these as "soft
white") -- about 1% loss
- Paint or enamel coatings -- about 4% loss typically

A quick look at a couple of lamp catalogs and Lamps and Lighting
(Coaton and Marsden) indicate the above values are still O.K.
GLS = general lighting service. Applies to the widely used
"A-line" (and other) incandescent lamps intended for general use.

Terry McGowan


Perhaps the older 100W pearl bulb I replaced got noticeably blackened
with use over time. The clear bulb I used as a replacement was
visibly quite obviously brighter.

I should add that the bulb is behind a pearly white glass diffuser a
bit like this one shown here:
http://www.above-it-all.co.uk/pictures/light_fitting.jpg

If a pearl GLS bulb produces no more than 1% less light than a clear
bulb then why does anyone bother with a clear bulb?

Very roughly, how much loss of light output would my old pearl bulb
have incurred over, say, 500 hours or some period like that?
 
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