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recycling tv's etc.

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David Nebenzahl

Jan 1, 1970
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HeyBub spake thus:
In my neighborhood, we have "heavy trash" pickup once a month. I call it
"foraging night." In addition to a shop-vac, a recliner, and other goodies,
my prize is a WW2 jerry can. It's a military five-gallon gas can and is in
perfect shape. What makes this one so neat is the stencil on the bottom:

09-44 IIIArmy

Well, I was asking about freecycle.org. But since you mentioned it,
FreeStuffAtTheCurb.yourtown.org is actually, to me, a better method of
exchange than freecycle. At least there's always plenty of stuff to
choose from, and no stupid "moderators" to deal with.


--
Just as McDonald's is where you go when you're hungry but don't really
care about the quality of your food, Wikipedia is where you go when
you're curious but don't really care about the quality of your knowledge.

- Matthew White's WikiWatch (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
 
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David Nebenzahl

Jan 1, 1970
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Goedjn spake thus:
I suspect that this is a regulation, not a law.
And it's probably because the people running the
dump are absolutely convinced that some shithead
is going to haul a gas-powered appliance out of the
dump, cut their finger, have the appliance blow
up, (explaining why it was in the dump in the
first place) and then sue them.

What you need to do is set up a non-profit junkyard.

Like Urban Ore, in Berkeley, CA, which, while not exactly a "junkyard",
is a store with items that would otherwise be in the dump. There are
many places like it sprouting up all over the country, and, I'm sure,
the world. I've gotten all kinds of good stuff there.

Interestingly, UO started as an operation *at the dump* way back in the
good old days, where people would retrieve potentially useful items
before they were bulldozed under, lay them on tables, and you could go
and take them for free. I heard that this system lasted a couple of
years before it was shut down by the "sanitary landfill" authorities.


--
Just as McDonald's is where you go when you're hungry but don't really
care about the quality of your food, Wikipedia is where you go when
you're curious but don't really care about the quality of your knowledge.

- Matthew White's WikiWatch (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm)
 
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Arfa Daily

Jan 1, 1970
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David Nebenzahl said:
Arfa Daily spake thus:


Well, it's all relative, isn't it? My point was that lead pollution from
discarded electronics is a serious problem. If you live here in West
Oakland, then you're going to be more concerned about getting asthma from
all the trucks going in and out of the Port of Oakland.
You are correct that it is all relative, but unfortunately, the responses
are not relative pro rata, which was my point. No one would disagree that if
you get lead into your body in sufficient quantity, it's not gonna do you a
lot of good. The point is that it is actually quite difficult to get lead
into your body in sufficient quantity to do damage. Lead in gasoline was a
good way. Lead in solder or CRT glass faceplates, is not. Tin / lead solder
is a stable substance. No matter how much you run water over solder, the
lead ain't gonna leach out of it in sufficient concentration to be a
problem. Even if you factor in acid rain - and there's a lot less of that
now that there are laws against noxious airborne waste discharges of nasty
stuff like sulphur dioxide - you still have a hard job washing lead out of
solder into the water table.

Europe is renowned for having committes and workgroups and think-tanks who
come up with hysterical reactions to non-problems. Lead in solder is a good
example. Don't get me wrong. I am not against recycling per se, but for the
right reasons. Whilst on the surface, any actions that genuinely contribute
to " saving the planet " are laudable, and indeed desirable, you also have
to look at the other side of the coin which is often forgotten, and that is
the energy budget to carry out the recycling.

By the time you have collected your goods, sorted them in a heated and
well-lit worker-friendly warehouse that you had to custom build, dismantled
them, recovered any reusable materials, repurified them, remanufactured
them, and finally disposed of whatever is left, you may well have used more
energy, and contributed more to pollution, than if you had not bothered.
Just looking at lead free solder. I wonder how much additional energy is now
being used worldwide, to heat all of those solder baths up another 40
degrees, heat up all those rework stations another 40 degrees, heat up all
those millions of hand soldering irons another 40 degrees ? How much
additional transport energy to get goods suffering from lead-free bad joints
back to a repair centre, and then back to the customer ? Quite a lot I would
wager, and certainly more than a few wind turbines can make up ...

Arfa
 
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Beloved Leader

Jan 1, 1970
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aspasia said:
maybe you're interested? For money, not love.

Aspasia

Thanks, but I already have three Teacs. I paid $1 for the first one, at
a church rummage sale, in 1992. No one could make it work. It was
missing the shorting plug in the back where the hardwired remote
control plugged in. I added a lead shorting the two appropriate pins,
and it worked flawlessly.

The next Teac was left out for the trash. I saw it on one of my
after-dinner walks. I picked it up, intending to carry it a mile back
home. I had to stop a few times on the way to catch my breath. Do you
know that a 7" three-motor Teac weighs 55 pounds?
 
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Beloved Leader

Jan 1, 1970
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David said:
Well, I was asking about freecycle.org. But since you mentioned it,
FreeStuffAtTheCurb.yourtown.org is actually, to me, a better method of
exchange than freecycle. At least there's always plenty of stuff to
choose from, and no stupid "moderators" to deal with.

I'm a member of that group too. I used to put a lot of stuff on
Freecycle, but I found it much easier just to put things out at the end
of the sidewalk with a sign on it, "FREE - GRATIS." That way, people
who don't own computers have a crack at having my old stuff. It
disappears in broad daylight; it disappears after dark. All I care
about is that it disappears.
 
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aspasia

Jan 1, 1970
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[...]
I once told the story of drivign down 2nd Avenue in NYC, somewhere in
the 20's and seeing a big (though only 5 or 6 foot high dumpster full
of books.

There were about 6 guys inside gathering books, plus I joined them of
course. All hardback, on every subject. There were 3 kinds of
people, those who would get in for a while, those who would just walk
by, and those who would stand outside once in a while pointing to a
book and asking someone to get it for them. How they could see the
title on a hardback book with no dust cover, I don't know.

I got about 20 or 25 books the first day, and I went back 2 out of the
next 4 days. The level of books kept getting lower. There must have
been 20,000 to start, and maybe 10,000 when I stopped going. But they
were probably adding more books every day also. (I had to come from
Brooklyn.) The weather was beautiful every day. New Yorkers are used
to finding good stuff in the trash,

AMAZED at what I find on the curbs when I visit family in NYC! Always
want to take stuff home to CA, but not much room in the overhead bins
for filing cabinets, etc. <g>

because most apartments are small
and even in the 70's people couldnt even keep a broken 12 inch tv
waiting for a time to fix it. No room.

I got about 35 books in total.

And you probably READ them! More power to you.

Just to mention: If one wanted to take the time & trouble, one could
collect and donate to "minority/disadvantaged" public (and perhaps
parochial?) schools that have tiny budgets than the Beverly Hills-type
public schools with their higher property tax base.

I've done that; called schools and arranged to take them boxes of
books and magazines. Eager, alert kids* can mine these donations for
information that is not in their canned textbooks. And
overworked/underpaid teachers can use these materials for lesson
plans, clip art, etc.

* Yes, there ARE some!

Closing anecdote: Years ago I was on (camera) safari in Kenya.
We'd stop at these villages - basically wide places in the road --
and visit the schools. Pathetic facilities; almost no basic supplies
& teaching materials. I just boil, all these years later, thinking of
how materials -- from paper to computers to AV equipment --
are disrespected and WASTED!

Grrr...people should see how the other 1/2 -- or rather 7/8 -- lives.

Aspasia
 
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aspasia

Jan 1, 1970
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There isn't much in the universe that couldn't be recycled
if you could figure out a convenient way to separate it
from other bits.

Quite right.Actually,WE are recycled from star material. The original "bits" from
the Big Bang are still around, whether as matter or energy (or dark
energy E=MC2.). Kopf hoch!

Aspasia
 
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aspasia

Jan 1, 1970
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:40:57 GMT, "Arfa Daily"

[...]
You are correct that it is all relative, but unfortunately, the responses
are not relative pro rata, which was my point. No one would disagree that if
you get lead into your body in sufficient quantity, it's not gonna do you a
lot of good. The point is that it is actually quite difficult to get lead
into your body in sufficient quantity to do damage. Lead in gasoline was a
good way. Lead in solder or CRT glass faceplates, is not. Tin / lead solder
is a stable substance. No matter how much you run water over solder, the
lead ain't gonna leach out of it in sufficient concentration to be a
problem. Even if you factor in acid rain - and there's a lot less of that
now that there are laws against noxious airborne waste discharges of nasty
stuff like sulphur dioxide - you still have a hard job washing lead out of
solder into the water table.

[...]

Tell that to the Romans, whose much-lauded plumbing systems-- a marvel
of the ancient world -- were made with lead pipes, which many
historians have indicted as one of the reasons for the Decline and
Fall (crazy emperors, etc.)

Aspasia
 
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Arfa Daily

Jan 1, 1970
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:40:57 GMT, "Arfa Daily"

[...]
You are correct that it is all relative, but unfortunately, the responses
are not relative pro rata, which was my point. No one would disagree that
if
you get lead into your body in sufficient quantity, it's not gonna do you
a
lot of good. The point is that it is actually quite difficult to get lead
into your body in sufficient quantity to do damage. Lead in gasoline was a
good way. Lead in solder or CRT glass faceplates, is not. Tin / lead
solder
is a stable substance. No matter how much you run water over solder, the
lead ain't gonna leach out of it in sufficient concentration to be a
problem. Even if you factor in acid rain - and there's a lot less of that
now that there are laws against noxious airborne waste discharges of nasty
stuff like sulphur dioxide - you still have a hard job washing lead out of
solder into the water table.

[...]

Tell that to the Romans, whose much-lauded plumbing systems-- a marvel
of the ancient world -- were made with lead pipes, which many
historians have indicted as one of the reasons for the Decline and
Fall (crazy emperors, etc.)

Aspasia

But you see this is just the sort of unsubstantiated hearsay that
perpetuates these myths, and gets the eco-crazies going in the first place.
" Which many historians have indicted etc ". These people are just that -
historians with an idea, not scientists with facts. All of the water in the
UK was distributed by lead pipes up until a few years ago. In some rural
areas, and certainly within many houses, it still is. My generation, and
certainly up to mine, weren't crazy. Judging by what I see of kids now,
including my own, we had a far higher level of inherent intelligence. The
current craziness of the society here, could be said to have commenced with
the introduction of plastic water pipes, so perhaps we should jump right on
the bandwagon here, and start making all sorts of unsubstantiated claims
about brain-destroying substances from oily plastics such as polythene,
getting into the water supply. And just maybe, I've got something there,
with all the current stuff about short term memory loss that everyone claims
to be suffering from - even to the point where Nintendo or whoever it is,
have brought out a memory exercising game for busy execs on the move ... !!

As far as lead in the water from lead pipes goes, again, in general, this is
nonsense. I sincerely hope that for the most part, the water treatment
company supply me with water that is largely pure and neutral. This will not
cause the lead to break down and wash out in any quantity that is a problem.
If there is anything else in the water in substantial quantity, it is likely
to be some flouride compound, added by the water company, and thus
representing *definite* proven, and government-sponsored pollution of the
water supply with a harmful substance ( no one is really sure what the real
long-term effects of poisoning people in this way are ), or calcium
compounds which were in the water in the first place. As we all know, these
rapidly precipitate out of the water, and coat the insides of the pipes as
limescale, be them copper or lead. Once this has occured, there can no
longer be even any perceived threat, let alone a real one, from the lead
that the pipe is fundamentally made from.

Arfa
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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aspasia said:
Tell that to the Romans, whose much-lauded plumbing systems-- a marvel
of the ancient world -- were made with lead pipes, which many
historians have indicted as one of the reasons for the Decline and
Fall (crazy emperors, etc.)

Aspasia


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_acetate


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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Beloved Leader

Jan 1, 1970
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aspasia said:
Closing anecdote: Years ago I was on (camera) safari in Kenya.
We'd stop at these villages - basically wide places in the road --
and visit the schools. Pathetic facilities; almost no basic supplies
& teaching materials. I just boil, all these years later, thinking of
how materials -- from paper to computers to AV equipment --
are disrespected and WASTED!

Grrr...people should see how the other 1/2 -- or rather 7/8 -- lives.

Aspasia

There were several overhead projectors thrown in the dumpster behind a
branch of my city's public library last week. No one in the school or
library system has any use for them. I assume that they made no effort
whatsoever to find them a good home. I doubt that they even thought of
offering them on Freecycle. If they had, though, it's possible that
whoever took them would turn around and place them on eBay.
 
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Goedjn

Jan 1, 1970
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There were several overhead projectors thrown in the dumpster behind a
branch of my city's public library last week. No one in the school or
library system has any use for them. I assume that they made no effort
whatsoever to find them a good home. I doubt that they even thought of
offering them on Freecycle. If they had, though, it's possible that
whoever took them would turn around and place them on eBay.

Apparently, some people would see that end result as a bad
thing. For myself, I can't quite figure out why.
 
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Guest

Jan 1, 1970
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Beloved Leader said:
I already have one. I call it "home."

Chuckle. I resemble that remark, or at least my house does. It runs in my
family- when my grandpa passed, it took us a month to empty the basement.

aem sends...
 
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Arfa Daily

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks also for this link.
That's a fine story, but it refers to a lead compound, deliberately
introduced to a foodstuff that the Romans were consuming, not to lead pipes
dissolving as a result of drinking water passing through them ...

Arfa
 
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aspasia

Jan 1, 1970
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That's a fine story, but it refers to a lead compound, deliberately
introduced to a foodstuff that the Romans were consuming, not to lead pipes
dissolving as a result of drinking water passing through them ...

Arfa
Got to wondering whether -- with all this encyclopediac (pun intended)
talk about whether the pipes were earthen or lead -- hasn't there been
any serious archeology, digging up said pipes for analysis?
 
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