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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Mr.T"
Yes, mostly. Some hydro electricity,


** In Tasmania, it is 100% hydro.

Massive amounts of it too, compared to the small population.




....... Phil
 
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Mr.T

Jan 1, 1970
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Albert Manfredi said:
Most folks? I would suspect infant mortality if the fluorescent has
anywhere close to as short a life as an incandescent.

And the equivalent of the "Black Death" is killing a lot of "infants" around
here then.
Mine have lasted for years and years in every case.

I can only dream of that. No problem with standard fluoro's though!
So far, compulsory is only in Australia. But I'd say that light bulbs
constitute a large load, especially in homes that use gas for their
furnace and kitchen. In such homes, only heavy appliances or hair dryers
require more than 100 watts or so, yet for light bulbs, that's common.
And there are many light bulbs.]

The most commonly used bulb here is 60W, and there are usually only a few
rooms on at any one time. Usually less than 200W in my house, but even
double that will be about one average computer, less than the fridge,
freezer, air conditioner, washing machine, microwave oven, large TV, even
the toaster or electric kettle, each by itself!

Some people do have a hundred QH downlights though, and they should just be
shot to protect the rest of us from their stupidity :)
At night, with bulbs lit, a typical home probably uses the equivalent of
one or two hair dryers, kept running constantly for hours and hours.

My hair drier uses FAR more than the lights, but it isn't on very long, so
it's rather a pointless comparison.
The ONLY figure that's important to global warming, is how many WHr's a
device *actually* consumes each year.
Hardly a trivial load.

Compared to what industry currently uses, it IS trivial. It's not that long
ago our state government spent hundred's of millions of dollars installing
power lines just to supply an Aluminium smelter. Any guess on how much power
THAT uses compared to the average household?
Makes a lot more sense to clamp down on that
load, than to get all compulsive about DTV set-top boxes, as the EU has
done.

Really? That is even more stupid.
Still politicians could never be accused of having intelligence!
As long as they don't ban computers any time soon :)

MrT.
 
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Mr.T

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
It would be crazy to eliminate halogens.

Why???
The QH downlights used in large multiples because of their narrow light
spread, are the very WORST offenders!
Each one draws as much as a standard globe (including the power wasted in
the transformer)

Ban them FIRST I say.

MrT.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Mr.T said:
Wow, I 'm jealous. I've given up on them after using about 20 or 30 over the
last 10 years. None lasted any longer than a cheap incandescent, most lasted
less, a few even DOA.

Were any of them made by Philips or Osram ?

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Mr.T said:
Why???
The QH downlights used in large multiples because of their narrow light
spread, are the very WORST offenders!
Each one draws as much as a standard globe (including the power wasted in
the transformer)

Ban them FIRST I say.

They're not the only kind of halogen lamp.

GE and Philips are working on getting halogen efficiency up to the level of
CFLs.

Graham
 
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Arfa Daily

Jan 1, 1970
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Ron Capik said:
Arfa said:
Ron Capik said:
Arfa Daily wrote:

< ...snip... >


Maplins do a candle bulb that's vacuum filled. Also, see info on
vacuum
bulbs at

http://members.misty.com/don/bulb1.html

Arfa

"Vacuum filled," oh how I enjoy that one. It evokes the image of
someone pouring stuff form this bottle of "vacuum" into each
light bulb.

However, I do believe it might be a bit more proper to say the
bulbs are (or have been) evacuated. <G>

[ Sorry, the pedantic devil made me do this. ]


Later...

Ron Capik
It's one of those 'odd ones' isn't it ? Obviously "filled" is not the
right
word, and "evacuated" seems a bit 'scientific'. The references to these
bulbs tend to call them "vacuum filled", so I just went along with that
...
;-)

Arfa

Ahh, that so reminds me of the winning definition of "politically
correct."
"" Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical
minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media,
which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a
turd by the clean end.""

So do take care as to what end of the vacuum you fill with. <G>


Later...

Ron Capik
Yes, very amusing, but now the pedantic devil sitting on your shoulder, is
definitely asserting himself ... !!

Arfa
 
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Mr.T

Jan 1, 1970
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JANA said:
The pollution caused from burning ethanol is worse
than from petrol.

Do you have a reference for this?
The chemicals released from the burned ethanol are
dangerous for people with respiratory problems.

So is petrol, diesel is worse still.

MrT.
 
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Mr.T

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
value.

The simple and obvious way to deal with this is by leasing the battery, not
owning it.

Sure, but then the lease cost will be even greater to cover the extra
expenses and profits of the lease company.

MrT.
 
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Don Pearce

Jan 1, 1970
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When making ethanol fuel from corn, the energy used, is more than what can
be had from the ethanol. The pollution caused from burning ethanol is worse
than from petrol. The chemicals released from the burned ethanol are
dangerous for people with respiratory problems. These chemicals are also
harmful to plant life.

Ethanol combustion goes as follows:

C2H5OH + 3O2 -> 2CO2 + 3H2O

Problem?

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Mr.T

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
Were any of them made by Philips or Osram ?

Yep, I still have a new DOA Phillips in the original packing. I just wish I
still had the receipt :-(

I have tried at least 3 different styles by Phillips, and at least one from
Osram, not to mention total crap like Mirabella and many others.
NONE of them lasted any better than an incandescent in the same position.
The price varied from approximately 6 times that of an IB, to over 30 times.
And to seal their fate, the apparent light output per watt is far lower than
the standard fluoro tubes I use, which also last ten times as long. The
extra cost of replacing fittings soon pays for itself compared to using CFL
crap IMO.

MrT.
 
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Mr.T

Jan 1, 1970
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Phil Allison said:
** In Tasmania, it is 100% hydro.

Not 100%, they use power from Victoria for base load demand at certain
times. And that's from brown coal.
Massive amounts of it too, compared to the small population.

If they had amounts as massive as you suggest, Victoria would not have a
problem. They could simply put in another Bass Straight cable if necessary.
Instead we are building large numbers of wind generators.

MrT.
 
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Mr.T

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
GE and Philips are working on getting halogen efficiency up to the level of
CFLs.

Fine, we can re-consider them WHEN they have succeeded.

MrT.
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Mr.Turd"
Not 100%, they use power from Victoria for base load demand at certain
times.


** Tassie hydro sells power to Vic at times of their high demand -
fuckwit.

That is what hydro power is IDEAL for !!

If they had amounts as massive as you suggest, Victoria would not have a
problem.


** The only problem is conserving long term water resources.

Tassie's installed generator capacity per head of population is very high.




......... Phil
 
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Arfa Daily

Jan 1, 1970
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Mr.T said:
Not 100%, they use power from Victoria for base load demand at certain
times. And that's from brown coal.


If they had amounts as massive as you suggest, Victoria would not have a
problem. They could simply put in another Bass Straight cable if
necessary.
Instead we are building large numbers of wind generators.

MrT.
Never mind ... !!

Arfa
 
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Mr.T

Jan 1, 1970
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Phil Allison Turd said:
** Tassie hydro sells power to Vic at times of their high demand -
fuckwit.

I never said they didn't fuckwit.
That is what hydro power is IDEAL for !!

I never said it wasn't fuckwit.

MrT.
 
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Richard Crowley

Jan 1, 1970
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"Karl Uppiano" wrote ...
Phil isn't very helpful. Can anyone else explain where I went wrong?

You didn't plonk the notorious troll and he tricked you
into annother useless exchange.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Mr.T said:
Sure, but then the lease cost will be even greater to cover the extra
expenses and profits of the lease company.

It's the only way I can see to cushion and average the associated costs.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Mr.T said:
Yep, I still have a new DOA Phillips in the original packing. I just wish I
still had the receipt :-(

You seem to have exceptionally bad luck.

I have tried at least 3 different styles by Phillips, and at least one from
Osram, not to mention total crap like Mirabella and many others.
NONE of them lasted any better than an incandescent in the same position.

Are you even remotely aware how exceptionally strange that is ? A few years back
some brands were affected by the 'bad caps' issue. Maybe that affected your
judgement of them ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

I for one, have never had a CFL fail to last at least years in practical use.

Graham
 
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