Re: Phonetic Alphabet Tables

[Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI]

Mr Reay.

I suggest that you go to any Chief Executive of any airline
and ask him/her whereabouts they put safety.

I suggest you go to any C.A.A around the world and ask them
where safety is in the pecking-order of subjects...


Go on.....

It's probably not far below the need to make a profit.

 

[John Miller]

What, do they converse in Latin?

I have heard about the Navaho code-talkers, and that seemed a good idea,
but spooks speaking Latin - they must be ghosts from Roman times.

Yikes -- I mangled that good and proper. I had read Marty's "everyone has
moved on" to refer to Morse, not Latin.

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[Binary Era]

That is a remarkably simplistic statement. The sort of thing I'd expect a
3nd rate wannabee software engineer who last worked a long time ago on a
something he thought was safety critical.

Yes, this is the sort of claptrap that the ignorant spout with grim
regularity.

Take the case of airbags fitted to cars, that is, the ones located in
the centre of the steering wheel.

This is all very well, but the centre of the steering wheel is where
past generations of horn buttons used to be. When carrying out an
evasive manoeuvre, you always knew where the horn button was.

Now they are located on the steering-wheel spokes, you don't know
where they are when carrying out /any/ manoeuvre. The driver might be
safer due to the airbag, but is the /car/as/a/whole safer?

Still, zpk comes from a country where the roads are littered with
cowsh*t and potholes, so what else would one expect?

 

[Incognito]

FYI: In the USA - it is legal to send CW on the "phone" bands -)

URL: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/allocate.html

Few do as a matter of courtesy. But it is heard occasionally -- mostly DXers
making a phone contact then switching to CW for confirmation on that mode.

My post was to indicate that CW on the Ham bands is not dead as the a poster
implied.

 

[zpk]

Would you like a list of KNOWN defects in aircraft that impact safety. If
you know were to look you will find it.

you still havent asked the UK CAA yet ... have you ?

As I said, you view is simplistic in the extreme.

remind mr. reay...what is/was your m3 callsign ?

 

[zpk]

My post was to indicate that CW on the Ham bands is not dead as the a poster
implied.

not as dead as some appear to want it to be.

 

[Rod Speed]

oh oh.

SAFETY IS NUMERO UNO.

Not with that specific question of requiring all pilots to be morse fluent it aint.

And that's because there is no reduction in safety involved
with having the NDBs morse ident so slowly that everyone
can check the ident against what's printed on the paperwork.

In fact the better NDB receivers decode it
automatically and display the ident in text form.

Completely trivial technology.

 

[Marty]

not as dead as some appear to want it to be.

Maybe not, but with the ITU saying that CW is no longer a necessity, it wont
be long before the new generation of hams decide its all too much
trouble....

Gee, wonder if that means that the ITU don't consider morse to be that
important anymore????

 

[exray]

Maybe not, but with the ITU saying that CW is no longer a necessity, it wont
be long before the new generation of hams decide its all too much
trouble....

We've been there, done that. Check 26-28 MHz.

-BM

 

[Brian Reay]

in message
Maybe not, but with the ITU saying that CW is no longer a necessity, it wont
be long before the new generation of hams decide its all too much
trouble....

I hope not. I wouldn't like to see CW 'die'.

Gee, wonder if that means that the ITU don't consider morse to be that
important anymore????

That doesn't mean people won't want to use it for fun. The Longbow was
rendered obsolete 500+ years back but still has its adherents.

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73
Brian
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[exray]

Brian Reay wrote:

That doesn't mean people won't want to use it for fun. The Longbow was
rendered obsolete 500+ years back but still has its adherents.

Don't get me wrong because I'm a Morse fan...no mic in my shack.
But they don't require testing for longbow skills when you order meat at
the butcher.

There's been anti-CW people going back to about 1930 when it had already
been declared "obsolete". And there will continue to be complaints when
any moron can obtain a licence (oh, thats already happened). That has
always been true albeit in different degrees. The ham community
screamed bloody foul when the ARRL institued "incentive" licensing. Now
they're screaming foul because there isn't "incentive" licensing.

I'm all in favor of no-code HF licensing as long as they don't hand over
the CW-only bands in the process.

In the US anyway, with the watering down of the requirements I really am
suspect of anybody still whining about having to do a couple of hours of
no-brainer study to obtain an Extra Class licence. On a skill level its
about like knowing how to cook rice.

-BM

 

[Hercules Smackbottom]

Brian Reay wrote:
In the US anyway, with the watering down of the requirements I really am
suspect of anybody still whining about having to do a couple of hours of
no-brainer study to obtain an Extra Class licence. On a skill level its
about like knowing how to cook rice.

I hold an extra class license but I don't have a clue how to cook rice.

 

[Rod Speed]

I hope not. I wouldn't like to see CW 'die'.

That doesn't mean people won't want to use it for fun. The Longbow
was rendered obsolete 500+ years back but still has its adherents.

You dont see too many still bothering with smoke
signals, carrier pigeons, pony express, etc etc etc tho.

Does anyone bother with semaphore anymore ? Spose some loons might.

 

[Brian Reay]

Don't get me wrong because I'm a Morse fan...no mic in my shack.
But they don't require testing for longbow skills when you order meat at
the butcher.

Good point, in line with my own views.

There's been anti-CW people going back to about 1930 when it had already
been declared "obsolete".

I'm not sure anti-CW is always the correct term- it suggests people want to
'ban' CW. I don't actually ever recall anyone suggesting that. If they did,
I won't support it.

And there will continue to be complaints when
any moron can obtain a licence (oh, thats already happened).
That has always been true albeit in different degrees.

Been happening here for years- even when we had a written exam and
compulsory CW test for ANY licence. Probably the 'worst' period of behaviour
in the UK hobby was the mid / late 70s- at which time there was still the
written exam.

The ham community
screamed bloody foul when the ARRL institued "incentive" licensing. Now
they're screaming foul because there isn't "incentive" licensing.

Odd, we have the same.

I'm all in favor of no-code HF licensing as long as they don't hand over
the CW-only bands in the process.

Agreed 100%

In the US anyway, with the watering down of the requirements I really am
suspect of anybody still whining about having to do a couple of hours of
no-brainer study to obtain an Extra Class licence. On a skill level its
about like knowing how to cook rice.

I've not heard anyone 'whining' about wanting to get the UK equivalent,
having gone through the other stages. Quite the converse.

I've got a batch of amateurs taking the UK Advanced exam on Monday- we are
already looking for things to study next. Morse is on the list of
possibles. (even though it isn't required any more here), as is taking the
US exams.


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73
Brian
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[Binary Era]

You dont see too many still bothering with smoke
signals, carrier pigeons, pony express, etc etc etc tho.

Does anyone bother with semaphore anymore ? Spose some loons might.

I think your thinking is too narrow.

When your assault group or raiding party is dropped off at night from
its parent group (operating in total electronic blackout) just outside
the enemy littoral, how do you think they all communicate?

I'll be willing to bet that smoke signals. hand signals, carrier
pigeons, and a whole raft of non-electronic communications aids are
used, including morse lamps and semaphore.

Signallers are prized members of such specialist groups.

 

[Geoff]

Maybe not, but with the ITU saying that CW is no longer a necessity,
it wont be long before the new generation of hams decide its all too
much trouble....

No, I think that there is a use for morse code and some amateurs will
still use it, as I do. It still has use as a simple weak signal mode.

Gee, wonder if that means that the ITU don't consider morse to be that
important anymore????

Probably not.


YG

 

[Brian Reay]

I think your thinking is too narrow.

When your assault group or raiding party is dropped off at night from
its parent group (operating in total electronic blackout) just outside
the enemy littoral, how do you think they all communicate?

I'll be willing to bet that smoke signals. hand signals, carrier
pigeons, and a whole raft of non-electronic communications aids are
used, including morse lamps and semaphore.

Signallers are prized members of such specialist groups.

All seems a bit extreme to get into a rally before the doors open. Why not
just stand in front of a Landrover and break a leg?

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Brian
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[Binary Era]

All seems a bit extreme to get into a rally before the doors open. Why not
just stand in front of a Landrover and break a leg?

I thought that bit came later, after the fried breakfast then being
run over by the wheelchairs? I'm not sure where the fettled casting
comes in all this action......

 

[Brian Reay]

I thought that bit came later, after the fried breakfast then being
run over by the wheelchairs? I'm not sure where the fettled casting
comes in all this action......

Well, some people always have to be different, re-defining physical
definitions (eg definition of power, time, the dB etc), maybe they decided
to do this differently.

Stick a good casting on a good leg, then "fettle" both. Think of the
benefits, broken leg (gets you into the rallies and an excuse not to work),
a ruined casting to throw in the bin, and something to moan about. "Win Win"
;-)


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73
Brian
G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk for FREE training material for all UK
amateur radio licences
www.phoenixradioclub.org.uk - a RADIO club specifically for those wishing
to learn more about amateur radio

 

[Binary Era]

Well, some people always have to be different, re-defining physical
definitions (eg definition of power, time, the dB etc), maybe they decided
to do this differently.

Stick a good casting on a good leg, then "fettle" both. Think of the
benefits, broken leg (gets you into the rallies and an excuse not to work),
a ruined casting to throw in the bin, and something to moan about. "Win Win"
;-)

LOL!