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Re: Phonetic Alphabet Tables

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zpk

Jan 1, 1970
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*** Caution: this posting contains a four letter word
that some may find disressing.

And NDBs have never required the users to be fluent with morse
anyway.
many C.A.A's requires CPLs to have passed
a SIX ( YES SIX) wpm TEST (yes *TEST*)
They use morse so slowly that the morse is just printed
on the paperwork that lists the NDB details and anyone with a
clue can use that to make sure the correct NDB is being used.

its printed for those PPL who dont know morse code.

BECAUSE SAFETY COMES FIRST
 
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zpk

Jan 1, 1970
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... and to Russian, Ukranian, Indonesian and some other military
users, along with the Israeli Navy, Italian coast stations and
numerous "numbers" stations.

ahh here!

now youre just being factual.

whats have facts got to do with morse code ?
 
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Jock

Jan 1, 1970
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No longer used in any official capacity by whom?
In what way is it used?

I doubt that the _Royal_ Navy uses it any more, but certainly other
navies do.
 
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Jock

Jan 1, 1970
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Generally by flashing light. Ranges to the horizon and very secure.
Possibly.

The ability to intercept third world military comms is also desirable!

Are you absolutely sure that's done by the navy?
 
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MW0CDO

Jan 1, 1970
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huLLy said:
now

It's used with aeronautical beacons in some areas



--
AK47 Al -Qaeda C4 Bush Queen London Bomb Gareth Evans G4SDW Plot MI5
Detonator GCHQ Listen Bug Anthrax

Not a member of the Chippen Ham fan club.

Most certainly is too.. SWN beacon from Swansea "airport" on Fairwood Common
still sending.

Paul MW0CDO
 
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Jock

Jan 1, 1970
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To be fair to Marty, I think light signalling is a little out of context.

In radio useage, NDBs and similar are disappearing so fast as to make you
think that they must cost money to maintain. I played with my RDF a couple
of weeks back, the first time in about five years, I could hear only one
beacon, and that was an aircraft NDB at that.

Must have been a pretty awful DF setup. There are hundreds of
aeronautical radio navigational beacons right across the world
identifying themselves in Morse.

With a MW loop and a reasonable receiver I can log hundreds.
Of course, racons still identify in morse, at 9.5GHz!

You jest!
 
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Jock

Jan 1, 1970
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And NDBs have never required the users to be fluent with morse
anyway. They use morse so slowly that the morse is just printed
on the paperwork that lists the NDB details and anyone with a
clue can use that to make sure the correct NDB is being used.

Then presumably the pilots will qualify for a class F licence,
 
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Jock

Jan 1, 1970
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On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:11:38 GMT,
ahh here!

now youre just being factual.

whats have facts got to do with morse code ?

Nothing whatsoever for those who know it all. Let them count the
number of amateur Morse stations on an active weekend band and compare
it with the number of SSB stations in the same band.

Perhaps they could count all the other modes as well and Morse would
still win.

Of course things have moved on and navies use PRINTER, STANAG-4285 and
LINK-11 and so on on HF, but some of them still use Morse extensively.
It's simple, cheap and enormously spectrum efficient as a standby
system.
 
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Marty Wallace

Jan 1, 1970
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Of course things have moved on and navies use PRINTER, STANAG-4285 and
LINK-11 and so on on HF, but some of them still use Morse extensively.

Which ones still use it extensively?
It's simple, cheap and enormously spectrum efficient as a standby
system.

Well I dunno, it might be spectrum efficient but the effort required to
learn it and the fact that only a tiny percentage of the population are
morse literate doesn't make it terribly useful in real terms.

I've learnt morse for my license but have never used it since. I don't know
anybody else at all that uses morse for communicating but I know lot's of
people that use email and mobile phones.

Marty

VK6ABC
 
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Rod Speed

Jan 1, 1970
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zpk said:
*** Caution: this posting contains a four letter word
that some may find disressing.

**** em.
many C.A.A's requires CPLs to have passed
a SIX ( YES SIX) wpm TEST (yes *TEST*)

I dont believe its actually many at all anymore.

And that is completely stupid now anyway.
its printed for those PPL who dont know morse code.

Duh. But thats obviously a much more viable approach
than requiring proven morse competance in a test.
BECAUSE SAFETY COMES FIRST

Clearly the administrations that no longer have
any morse test disagree on the need for that now.
 
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Jock

Jan 1, 1970
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I've learnt morse for my license but have never used it since. I don't know
anybody else at all that uses morse for communicating but I know lot's of
people that use email and mobile phones.

(Lot's?)

Says it all really!
 
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Geoff

Jan 1, 1970
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John Miller said:
That will come as a surpise to the NSA.

What, do they converse in Latin?

I have heard about the Navaho code-talkers, and that seemed a good idea,
but spooks speaking Latin - they must be ghosts from Roman times.

YG
 
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zpk

Jan 1, 1970
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And unless you have a very selective receiver -- don't listen to the CW
bands on a weekend as they are LOADED with CW signals.

DOH!
tell me where ELSE do you think the CW signals are going to be ?
 
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zpk

Jan 1, 1970
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Clearly the administrations that no longer have
any morse test disagree on the need for that now.


oh oh.

SAFETY IS NUMERO UNO.
 
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Brian Reay

Jan 1, 1970
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zpk said:
oh oh.

SAFETY IS NUMERO UNO.


That is a remarkably simplistic statement. The sort of thing I'd expect a
3nd rate wannabee software engineer who last worked a long time ago on a
something he thought was safety critical.

Safety in any system is a matter of probability- reducing probability of an
incident to an acceptable level. That level is set by a range of factors-
cost and the state of technology being two of them.

Were safety "numero uno" then cost would not be in that equation.

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73
Brian
G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk for FREE training material for all UK
amateur radio licences
www.phoenixradioclub.org.uk - a RADIO club specifically for those wishing
to learn more about amateur radio
 
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Brian Reay

Jan 1, 1970
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zpk said:
Mr Reay.

I suggest that you go to any Chief Executive of any airline
and ask him/her whereabouts they put safety.

I suggest you go to any C.A.A around the world and ask them
where safety is in the pecking-order of subjects...

Would you like a list of KNOWN defects in aircraft that impact safety. If
you know were to look you will find it.

Safety is about risk and reducing risk costs money. Often, the lower the
risk the more it costs to ameliorate.

As I said, you view is simplistic in the extreme.

--
73
Brian
G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk for FREE training material for all UK
amateur radio licences
www.phoenixradioclub.org.uk - a RADIO club specifically for those wishing
to learn more about amateur radio
 
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zpk

Jan 1, 1970
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Were safety "numero uno" then cost would not be in that equation.


Mr Reay.

I suggest that you go to any Chief Executive of any airline
and ask him/her whereabouts they put safety.

I suggest you go to any C.A.A around the world and ask them
where safety is in the pecking-order of subjects...


Go on.....
 
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