Re: How to stop Piracy?

[John Fields]

Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre Dame.
Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design software
company. He asked me about the electronic design industry in China. He
told me that everyone knows that China is a huge market but most
company hesitates to enter China market due to piracy.

Everyone knows that piracy has a significant impact on the high-tech
industry, resulting in lost jobs, decreased innovation and higher
costs. As a Chinese who has been working in USA for more than 10 yrs, I
understand his worry and I also believe Chinese government has realized
this. But it seems a mission impossible to stop piracy in a country
like China. But could anyone tell me what's the best way to solve the
piracy problem?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

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Simple. For every instance that a pirated item is dicovered in
China, the Chinese government will pay the injured party the full
retail price of the item in the injured party's currency.

Either that, or kill the pirates.

 

[Alexander]

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Simple. For every instance that a pirated item is dicovered in
China, the Chinese government will pay the injured party the full
retail price of the item in the injured party's currency.

Either that, or kill the pirates.

If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.

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Alexander

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We are what we repeatedly do. - Aristotle,

 

[Joel Kolstad]

If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.

If you make everything at Wal*Mart free there is no need for shoplifting.

 

[Dave]

If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.

Um, so how would a software business function.
Maybe software should be resonably priced.

Regards
Dave

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Alexander

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We are what we repeatedly do. - Aristotle,

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[Nico Coesel]

If you make everything at Wal*Mart free there is no need for shoplifting.

Thats not far from the truth. Over here a shop has lowered the prices
of the 10 most stolen products by 25%.

 

[[email protected]]

Thats not far from the truth. Over here a shop has lowered the prices
of the 10 most stolen products by 25%.

Did it work?

 

[Nico Coesel]

Did it work?

No results have been published yet. The price reduction was announced
just a couple of weeks ago.

 

[John Fields]

John Fields wrote:

If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.

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You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

It's not. Theft is theft, and the fault lies in the thief and, in
the case of China, with the mindset of the Chinese government, which
considers all non-Chinese to be barbarians and barely worthy of
recognition, so stealing from us is condoned and is considered to be
not much different than taking a brightly colored colored stone from
a dog who dug it up and is playing with it.

Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,
you fucking asshole.

Grrrrr....

 

[Jim Thompson]

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You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

It's not. Theft is theft, and the fault lies in the thief and, in
the case of China, with the mindset of the Chinese government, which
considers all non-Chinese to be barbarians and barely worthy of
recognition, so stealing from us is condoned and is considered to be
not much different than taking a brightly colored colored stone from
a dog who dug it up and is playing with it.

Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,
you fucking asshole.

Grrrrr....

Dammit, John! Could you be more direct? I'm having trouble figuring
out what you mean ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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[Ken Taylor]

No results have been published yet. The price reduction was announced
just a couple of weeks ago.

Does the customer have to collect the stolen goods for themselves?

Ken

 

[Jasen Betts]

Um, so how would a software business function.

people would pay it money to write software.

Bye.
Jasen

 

[Jasen Betts]

You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

Theft is theft

Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft.

Bye.
Jasen

 

[eden]

You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
If you are talking about governments, the US is not a good example of
treating good non-US nations around the world. The piracy problem is
small issue comparing to their police role here and there.

I guess now is their time. Europian nations were stealing from the
world for centuries (and still do in some ways). What would you do if
you have 2 bilion of people, mainly poor? You will go to every vilige
to shot down every small pirate factory when you can't offer something
better?

Anyway, I don't try to defend the pirates, just the global picture is
not that simple

Goran

 

[Ken Taylor]

Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft.

Bye.
Jasen

That's an opinion at odds with the masses (of non-thieves, anyway).

Ken

 

[Simon Scott]

Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,
you fucking asshole.

Im a software dev John, but I cant agree there.

'Software' is not a physical thing - its a bunch of magnetic or optical dots
on a disk. There is an infinite supply, in terms of being able to make as
many copies as you like for little or no cost.

If somebody copies my software, I dont lose my copy.

It is very, very, *very* different to stealing a physical object from
someone.

 

[John Fields]

Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft.

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Yes, it is. If it weren't there'd be no need for copyright laws,
would there?

Taking something written by someone else and using it without the
author's permission is theft.

 

[John Fields]

If you are talking about governments, the US is not a good example of
treating good non-US nations around the world. The piracy problem is
small issue comparing to their police role here and there.

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We treat our friends well, and we treat our enemies and our friends'
enemies badly, but that's not what we're talking about. The topic
is how to stop piracy, and one avenue of approach would be to change
the attitude of the Chinese government.

 

[John Fields]

Im a software dev John, but I cant agree there.

'Software' is not a physical thing - its a bunch of magnetic or optical dots
on a disk. There is an infinite supply, in terms of being able to make as
many copies as you like for little or no cost.

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True, but if the pattern of dots isn't of your own making, then
copying them without the permission of the person who organized them
is stealing. Same a Xeroxing a book or counterfeiting cash is
stealing.

 

[Bob Masta]

Im a software dev John, but I cant agree there.

'Software' is not a physical thing - its a bunch of magnetic or optical dots
on a disk. There is an infinite supply, in terms of being able to make as
many copies as you like for little or no cost.

If somebody copies my software, I dont lose my copy.

It is very, very, *very* different to stealing a physical object from
someone.

It's not about your physical copy of the software, it's about
getting paid for your efforts. How do you provide yourself with
food, clothing, and shelter if you are working for free? Or
do you think all software should be written on a hobby basis by
people who make their living doing something else during the
day? (Like maybe at one of those jobs that's about to be
outsourced!)

Just a thought...




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[eden]

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We treat our friends well, and we treat our enemies and our friends'
enemies badly, but that's not what we're talking about. The topic
is how to stop piracy, and one avenue of approach would be to change
the attitude of the Chinese government.

I would say you (US Gov.) mind your interests only (as anybody else).
And I don't believe we here can change the attitude of he Chinese
government. Their mind their own interests, and at the moment I guess
piracy is not their main warry. They don't have big music or sw
industry to protect. They have many unemployeed.

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So what? Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Of course you do. You're saying that because they're poor and can't
afford to buy software legally it's OK for them to buy it cheaply
from someone someone who has stolen it.
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Buying pirate CDs would not concerning me so much. Big producers are
the problem. If somebody opens a shop near you and you can get there
cheap software, is not you the one that makes the crime.

I know.

Goran