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Howard Eisenhauer

Jan 1, 1970
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No.

There is no known mechanisum that would explain how radio waves can
cause the effects listed in the link. I have to believe that if there
was anything to the link between radio wave and sickness then there
would be a ton of 'smoking gun' studies proving it. Despite what you
may have heard or read about radio waves cauasing cancer *Not* One* of
those studies has ever shown numbers more statisticly significant than
random noise or been able to be duplicated by other reaserchers.
Radio frequency waves have no demonstrably proven effects other than
heating, they are not ionizing radiation such as emitted from nuclear
materials- they can't cause any kind of organ failure unless you
talking about fried liver.

While the picture looks impressive with all those dish antennas there
is in fact very little radiation emitted from them except to the
front. Government standards are very conservative for people working
in RF fields, something like 1% of the level that produces any sort of
observable effect, and thats a fration of a percent of the heating
effect you would feel from simply sitting in front of a warm stove.
If the levels are exceeded there than the complainents might have a
case for an un-safe work space but I have a very hard time believing
the levels would be anywhere near anything you could feel, never mind
actually dangerous. As for some of the conditions listed such as
'radiation anorexia' thats something that appears to be tied to
radiation treatments for cancer, & yes, that *is* ionizing radiation.

The writer may very well really be sick, but I'd be looking for other
causes rather than trying to blame something, which from everything we
know about how the universe works, isn't responsible.

Or invoking conspiracie theories when no one agees with them.


H.
 
No.

There is no known mechanisum that would explain how radio waves can
cause the effects listed in the link. I have to believe that if there
was anything to the link between radio wave and sickness then there
would be a ton of 'smoking gun' studies proving it. Despite what you
may have heard or read about radio waves cauasing cancer *Not* One* of
those studies has ever shown numbers more statisticly significant than
random noise or been able to be duplicated by other reaserchers.
Radio frequency waves have no demonstrably proven effects other than
heating, they are not ionizing radiation such as emitted from nuclear
materials- they can't cause any kind of organ failure unless you
talking about fried liver.

While the picture looks impressive with all those dish antennas there
is in fact very little radiation emitted from them except to the
front. Government standards are very conservative for people working
in RF fields, something like 1% of the level that produces any sort of
observable effect, and thats a fration of a percent of the heating
effect you would feel from simply sitting in front of a warm stove.
If the levels are exceeded there than the complainents might have a
case for an un-safe work space but I have a very hard time believing
the levels would be anywhere near anything you could feel, never mind
actually dangerous. As for some of the conditions listed such as
'radiation anorexia' thats something that appears to be tied to
radiation treatments for cancer, & yes, that *is* ionizing radiation.

The writer may very well really be sick, but I'd be looking for other
causes rather than trying to blame something, which from everything we
know about how the universe works, isn't responsible.

Or invoking conspiracie theories when no one agees with them.

H.


I'm not questioning the research, I just find it really odd that
entire families would suffer symptoms. Something in the soil dust,
perhaps?

"In memory of Mary Smith, Likely Mountain Lookout resident for three
fire seasons. 1997-1999. Passed away of cancer early summer 2000."
After only three years?

Do towers in the Middle of Nowhere operate at higher power than
typical cellular towers in a city?

For the record, I stumbled upon the site while looking for tiny towns
in the mountains to take a vacation. Likely, CA seemed interesting...

Regards,

Michael
 
I'm not questioning the research, I just find it really odd that
entire families would suffer symptoms.  Something in the soil dust,
perhaps?

"In memory of Mary Smith, Likely Mountain Lookout resident for three
fire seasons.  1997-1999.  Passed away of cancer early summer 2000."
After only three years?

Do towers in the Middle of Nowhere operate at higher power than
typical cellular towers in a city?

For the record, I stumbled upon the site while looking for tiny towns
in the mountains to take a vacation.  Likely, CA seemed interesting...

Regards,

Michael

The funny thing is cellular tower are designed to be low power. You
want to reuse the frequencies in other cells (so called channel
reuse). Digital cellular (and they are all digital these days) has
timing issues that prevent long distance operation. More so with GSM
than CDMA.
 
If the site had RADAR, or she was frequently in the front field of a
horn or dish with 5 watts of drive, the cataracts would be
believable.
I don't know about the rest, but cataracts are a microwave work
hazard.

Steve Roberts
 
There are "hot" mountain to mountain links in the Nevada desert, and
private radars are all over the place for TV stations. Yeah, I know
its not likely, but UHF and 800 mhz paging is sometimes 500-1000
watts, and some cell systems do have hot erps. Since this is one of
the few sites I cant find aerial photos on, lets give them a little
benefit of the doubt. Would you go up there every day in that field?

Steve Roberts
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm not questioning the research, I just find it really odd that
entire families would suffer symptoms. Something in the soil dust,
perhaps?

Something wrong with their house, toxic mould? outgassing of building
materials?
"In memory of Mary Smith, Likely Mountain Lookout resident for three
fire seasons. 1997-1999. Passed away of cancer early summer 2000."
After only three years?

Do towers in the Middle of Nowhere operate at higher power than
typical cellular towers in a city?

yes, but less often.
 
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mpm

Jan 1, 1970
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Is this common among radio tower workers?

http://www.alikelydeath.com/index_files/Page390.htm

Michael

Wow. A lot of mis-information in this thread.
If you really want all the corrections, email me and I'll go through
the trouble.

The short answer is:
No. This complaint is not related to non-ionizing radiofrequency
radiation exposure.

This has been beat to death over the years. There is nothing here.
For suggested reading, Google the "Lookout Mountain" EME case in
Denver 5 or 6 years ago.
Also, Canyon Area Residents for the Environment (CARE), same
situation.

Tower climbers do face one very serious related problem, however.
That is: startle reactions from localized high RF fields (while on the
tower).
If they are not properly tied off to the tower, this can be a source
of many ugly accidents / fatalities (from the fall).

-mpm
 
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mpm

Jan 1, 1970
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The funny thing is cellular tower are designed to be low power. You
want to reuse the frequencies in other cells (so called channel
reuse). Digital cellular (and they are all digital these days) has
timing issues that prevent long distance operation. More so with GSM
than CDMA.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

By law, cellular base stations can radiate up to 3,500 watts ERP,
though many (if not most) are lower than this value.
Typical cell sites use high gain (~ 12dB - 14dB) sectorized antennas.

Cellular licensees are responsible for compliance with RF exposures
(both worker and general public), and thus will take appropriate steps
to restrict access to the antennas. Also, typical cellular tower
heights are sufficient to protect ground personnel exposures. About
the only situations for cellular/PCS (all modulation types) is for
roof-mounted antennas where someone could physically walk in front of
the antenans, and antennas mounted on billboards (outdoor
advertising). Plus a very few other, unique situations. Otherwise,
cellular exposure is harmless*.

Except that, lately (last few years), there seems to be some evidence
gaining regarding nodules in the inner ear related to handset use (not
the towers). I dropped off that conversations a while back, but if
there's anything to it, I would expect to see it listed in the next
revision of ANSI C95.1

Also, remember that cellular in the US operates in the 850 band, and
PCS in the 1850-1990 MHz band. (AWS will be just below that). The
human body does not readily absorb any of these frequencies. (VHF -
particularly FM broadcast band is a much greater concern.)

-mpm
 
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