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Discussion in 'General Electronics' started by Paul Bunion, Dec 19, 2006.

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  1. I have no trouble telling them apart. I made it from a hobbyist at 8
    years old, to doing design work on electronics for the aerospace
    industry, fully self taught. I was awarded the MOS of broadcast Engineer
    at 20 years old by the US Army as a "Civilian Acquired Skill", and
    bypassing a three year military electronics school. I would not have
    passed that test by using common names. It kept me from going to Vietnam
    with a M16, and probably coming home in a body bag.

    If they are so common, why doesn't Radio Shack's drones know them?
    They have more reason not to know the right names that the "Common"
    names. Its like "Common sense" If it really was common, it wouldn't
    have a name.

    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
  2. Karl Uppiano

    Karl Uppiano Guest

    I'm glad things worked out well for you, but not everyone thinks the same
    way. IIRC, we informally called them DB-9s when I was designing electronics
    for the broadcast industry, and so did our customers. We knew better, but it
    wasn't a critical point. We managed to get the right parts installed, and we
    didn't embarrass our customers by constantly correcting them.
    The reason the Radio Shack drones don't know them by their proper name *or*
    by their common name is because they don't work with them or with people who
    use them. They look up what amounts to a verbal typo, and not finding
    anything, they draw a blank. Radio Shack will sell more parts if they were
    clued in to the fact that some people call them by the "common" name, and
    cross reference them, just like Wikipedia does. It's so simple, and it's
    just good business.

  3. Of course they were tested. At the board level, the module level,
    unit level, with full documentation, test and QC stamps. Then they were
    shipped to NASA where it was tested before going into their inventory,
    periodic testing while in long term storage, and again before a launch.

    Still, if any unit failed and people died, every piece of paper back
    to the first purchase order would have to be provided, and anyone who
    worked on the equipment may be investigated. Our reputation was good
    enough that they told us what they needed. We quoted, and built to
    spec. One unit was in service over 30 years with NO service. The only
    downtime was a few hours when NASA had to shut power down to do repairs
    to that facility.

    Few companies do that level of work, and it was damn hard to find
    qualified techs, because most have the same attitude seen in these
    newsgroups of "Good Enough" "Who Gives a shit" or "Big Deal". its no
    wonder that the electronics industry is dying in first world countries.

    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida

  4. That is just it. Radio Shack now considers anything other than cell
    phones or consumer toys a nuisance, and are phasing out the components.
    It is probably the lowest ROI of anything they sell. It takes more time
    to find and sell a 99 cent part than a cell phone contract. that
    business is going away, and has been for the last 30 years. I watched
    store after store close, distributors close branches, and convert their
    main branch to industrial/OEM sales only. For instance, Pioneer used to
    be Pioneer/Standard, AKA SREPCO, (Standard Radio and Electronics Parts
    CO.) with quite a few branches that supported both repair shops and
    hobbyists. Over a few years they closed all but their main locations and
    went industrial/OEM only. No more walking in and buying a couple
    resistors, or a few parts for a buck or two. Some locations had been
    there for forty years. I had an open account for 15 years when it
    happened, and they wouldn't even talk to me after the changes were
    made. About forty different companies either died, changed focus or
    went industrial/OEM only in SW Ohio, alone.

    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
  5. Karl Uppiano

    Karl Uppiano Guest

    I guess it depends on what you want the techs to do. The stockroom manager
    better know exactly how to read a part number, and correctly build a kit
    that conforms to the BOM, but I don't think it is grounds for dismissal if
    he happens to casually refer to a DE-9 as a DB-9, especially if he knows
    that the person he's talking to would be more familiar with the term.
    There's a difference between getting something right when it really matters,
    and rubbing their nose in it just for the sake of academic correctness.

  6. The people in the stock room didn't know what the parts were called,
    other than the printed label on the end of the tray, or on the reel or
    spool. They were not expected to. Incoming inspection verified that we
    received the exact quantity and type of part ordered, then applied the
    stockroom labels.

    The people in the stock room were there to pull parts for each job
    and have it kited for the certified production worker to build. The
    same for the production workers, part numbers, only. they had each type
    of component in a labeled container or antistatic bag. It was the test
    and engineering techs, and the engineers who were required to know what
    they were using.

    Nothing left the stock room without it being pre approved, and billed
    to either a job number, "Select in test", "repair", or for fixturing
    use. Defective parts had to be charged to a different account, to track
    defects and waste. Engineering had their own list of codes for parts, as
    well. I built and repaired test fixtures, and had an account number for
    that. In warranty and out of warranty failures were billed under
    different numbers. The only way to track all of this was by company
    designated stock numbers. Some "Identical" parts from different vendors
    had different stock numbers because one would make a design change and
    the part no longer worked like the original samples. I qualified and
    disqualified parts and vendors. I banned some major component
    manufacturers from being purchased, because they refused to accept our
    failure analysis reports.

    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
  7. Jim Douglas

    Jim Douglas Guest

    I believe more folks would know it as DB-9 than the "correct" name!

  8. And that is the problem. The "Dumbing down" of the entire world.

    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
  9. Radiosrfun

    Radiosrfun Guest

    Michael, I'll disagree with you to a small degree. IF it is a DE 9 - then
    the FACTORY should label it as such. It is not any harder to learn a part as
    DE 9 as it would be a DB 9. The "FACTORIES" are at fault for
    misrepresentation. You can't expect the general public to know other than
    what they're taught. Ignorance breeds ignorance.

  10. Karl Uppiano

    Karl Uppiano Guest

    I guess in the general scheme of things, the distinction between DB9 and a
    DE9 seems a little bit academic and arcane. I was in the electronics
    manufacturing business back when they were still using a lot of those things
    (before USB made them completely obsolete on computers anyway), and I can't
    remember any of us ever calling them DE9s, even if we had the correct part
    number in hand (our stockroom probably used a different number in any
    event). The fact is, it really only matters to a few people who really need
    to know, and to them it's crucial.

  11. I have never seen one marked DB9 form a reputable manufacturer. From
    tiny no name outfits in Japan, Taiwan and China? Yes.

    OTOH, the factory ships in very large quantities, then "Joe Schmo's
    computer supply and car wash" rips them out of the original packaging to
    sell them as "Them their DB-9 cereal connector thingies" because that's
    what his old drinking buddy called them.

    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
  12. Radiosrfun

    Radiosrfun Guest

    Most places I've ever dealt with - call them DB 9s and so on - so there
    again - they breed ignorance.
    I guess you could say a Spade is a spade - even by any other name!

  13. Look u arrogant beacon of crap. I know many network enginneers who do this
    all the time. Network architects refer to them as RJ 45s

  14. I'm sure you have been mistakenly referred to as "Human", but it
    doesn't make it so. "Network Engineers" & "Network Architects"? Now,
    that's almost funny. It would be, but I've had to clean up too many
    messes created by those boozos. A true RJ-45 was a telephone connector
    that used the same 8P8C non-keyed modular plug. I can't help that you
    hang around with morons and drugged out hippies.

    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
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