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Claude Frantz

Jan 1, 1970
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I have a MARCONI Q-Meter set. The manual says that a special cable
is needed to connect the generator to the measuring part. I do not
have this "special" cable. Now my question: what is special about
this cable ? How can I built one ?

Claude
 
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Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Claude said:
I have a MARCONI Q-Meter set. The manual says that a special cable
is needed to connect the generator to the measuring part. I do not
have this "special" cable. Now my question: what is special about
this cable ? How can I built one ?

Claude

Maybe the cable is triaxial??
 
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Claude Frantz

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
Maybe the cable is triaxial??

Hmm.... There are simple BNC connectors a both ends. Usually, in a
Q-meter, there is a very low impedance at the output of the generator
going to the measuring part. I'm surprised to see BNC connectors here.
But I cannot imagine which cable should be used.
 
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Rene Tschaggelar

Jan 1, 1970
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Claude said:
I have a MARCONI Q-Meter set. The manual says that a special cable
is needed to connect the generator to the measuring part. I do not
have this "special" cable. Now my question: what is special about
this cable ? How can I built one ?

It could be transforming cable. Meaning of a certain length
and impedance.

Rene
 
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Claude Frantz

Jan 1, 1970
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Rene said:
It could be transforming cable. Meaning of a certain length
and impedance.

Considering the broad working frequency band, I think that this
cannot be the case here.

Claude
 
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Leon Heller

Jan 1, 1970
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Claude said:
Hmm.... There are simple BNC connectors a both ends. Usually, in a
Q-meter, there is a very low impedance at the output of the generator
going to the measuring part. I'm surprised to see BNC connectors here.
But I cannot imagine which cable should be used.


I would make up a couple of ordinary 50 ohm cables with BNC connectors
at one end, connect them to a known inductor and see what happens when
you twiddle the knobs. You won't damage anything.

Leon
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Claude Frantz
2a.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>) about 'Q-Meter, connecting cable', on Mon, 19
Jan 2004:
Hmm.... There are simple BNC connectors a both ends. Usually, in a
Q-meter, there is a very low impedance at the output of the generator
going to the measuring part. I'm surprised to see BNC connectors here.
But I cannot imagine which cable should be used.

I used one of those Q-meters quite a lot. The cable doesn't look like
anything special and indeed it fits normal RG-58 type BNCs. I suspect
that it is simply a high-quality RG-58 with a full braid and a copper
centre conductor.

You might try e-mailing from the home page of
http://www.stewart-of-reading.co.uk
to ask if they have any Marconi Q-meter cables.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Claude said:
I have a MARCONI Q-Meter set. The manual says that a special cable
is needed to connect the generator to the measuring part. I do not
have this "special" cable. Now my question: what is special about
this cable ? How can I built one ?

Claude

The cable is special in the sense that the instrument is calibrated
using that particular individual cable. This is generally known as "port
extension compensation" in that they compensate for the electrical
characteristics of the means used to bring the D.U.T. into the
instrument. Which Marconi Q-meter are you using? Oh don't bother
answering, I have no interest in pursuing this- but maybe someone else
can describe a cal procedure for you.
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Fred Bloggs <[email protected]>
The cable is special in the sense that the instrument is calibrated using that
particular individual cable. This is generally known as "port extension
compensation" in that they compensate for the electrical characteristics of the
means used to bring the D.U.T. into the instrument.

It's dangerous to differ from FB, but in this case I don't think that's
the case. The cable just feeds several volts of oscillator into the
actual Q-meter circuit. It's terminated in a resistor (possibly much
less than 50 ohms IIRC) in series with the injection impedance which for
the type of Q-meter I think it is, is a precision inductor, not
resistor, of very low inductance (1 or 10 nH, I think). Radiation from
the cable can upset the accuracy.
Which Marconi Q-meter are
you using?

Probably one of the TF1245 series. If so, the meter rectifier is a
triode with a very high value grid leak resistor. A very good quality
tube is necessary to prevent grid-current problems.
 
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John Crighton

Jan 1, 1970
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I have a MARCONI Q-Meter set. The manual says that a special cable
is needed to connect the generator to the measuring part. I do not
have this "special" cable. Now my question: what is special about
this cable ? How can I built one ?

Claude

Hello Claude,
you may have better luck with your question on this group
rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors

I have a generator TF1246 that bolts on to the side of
a number of other measuring instruments, or can be used
on its own.
The output circuitry of this generator is nothing special,
but the front panel does mention
"for 50 ohms use matching unit TM5726"
which I am guessing is just a little box with a coax cable
that goes to the generator and contains a little resistor
network to give a much reduced output level somewhere
near 50 ohms output impedance to drive the associated
measuring instrument.

Open up your generator unit and check if the output
connector goes to a potentiometer, which means that
the output impedance is all over the place, which means
the connecting cable need not be anything special at all.

Maybe this "special cable" is like the matching unit
referred to on my generator. I am guessing here, Claude,
give us some equipment type numbers. Someone may
have an old Marconi test equipment catalogue.

You could try e-mailing Marconi Instruments, I did have
success a couple of times when I wanted parts for an
old CRO and old signal generator but the cost was
rdiculous. A couple of years ago I asked IBM here in
Sydney for some sticks of ram for an old computer. The
nice lady I spoke to said, "Yes we have some 4 MB
ram for four sixty five." I am thinking OK that's good, I'll
have a few of those at $4.65 each. Then she tells me
over 1400 dollars with postage.
"Why do people always scream down the phone
when I tell them the price?" she asked.

Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that John Crighton <[email protected]>
I have a generator TF1246 that bolts on to the side of
a number of other measuring instruments, or can be used
on its own.
The output circuitry of this generator is nothing special,
but the front panel does mention
"for 50 ohms use matching unit TM5726"
which I am guessing is just a little box with a coax cable
that goes to the generator and contains a little resistor
network to give a much reduced output level somewhere
near 50 ohms output impedance to drive the associated
measuring instrument.

But not the associated Q meter. That uses the raw output of the 1246,
which is some volts at maybe 10 ohms impedance.
Open up your generator unit and check if the output
connector goes to a potentiometer, which means that
the output impedance is all over the place, which means
the connecting cable need not be anything special at all.

It doesn't. IIRC.
Maybe this "special cable" is like the matching unit
referred to on my generator. I am guessing here, Claude,
give us some equipment type numbers. Someone may
have an old Marconi test equipment catalogue.

No, it's not a matching unit. IIRC, it's low-resistance and well-
screened. And as short as possible.
 
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John Crighton

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that John Crighton <[email protected]>


But not the associated Q meter. That uses the raw output of the 1246,
which is some volts at maybe 10 ohms impedance.

It doesn't. IIRC.

No, it's not a matching unit. IIRC, it's low-resistance and well-
screened. And as short as possible.
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Hello John,
OK, we are getting closer to helping Claude.
I must have missed some posts. So the generator Claude
has is the TF1246? I can dig it out of my heap of boatanchors
and open it up if that will help. What model Q meter does he
have? I may have missed the post where the model number
was mentioned.
Regards,
John Crighton
Sydney
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that John Crighton <[email protected]>
I must have missed some posts. So the generator Claude
has is the TF1246?

I guess that he has an oscillator and Q-meter of the 124X range, because
their particular feature was this special connecting cable. I think
there were two oscillators and three Q-meters covering different
frequency ranges. I think the 1245 was the most widely used Q-meter.

Actually, he should be able to tell us, and he hasn't, AFAIK.
 
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Claude Frantz

Jan 1, 1970
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Claude said:
I have a MARCONI Q-Meter set. The manual says that a special cable
is needed to connect the generator to the measuring part. I do not
have this "special" cable. Now my question: what is special about
this cable ? How can I built one ?

Claude

Many thanks for all the interesting responses. In fact, the generator
is the TF1246. I will try to build a well shielded and short connecting
cable.

Best regards,
Claude
 
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