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  1. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    PSpice SCHEMATICS Users Take Note!

    SCHEMATICS continues to be supported in the next PSpice release.

    Further support depends on the bitch level.

    Please advise EMA-EDA/Cadence of your desire for this feature.

    Repeat after me....

    Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS! Capture SUCKS!

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  2. Active8

    Active8 Guest

    You don't use capture ;)

    Post a bitch link. I'll bitch.
     
  3. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Are you a paid-up PSpice user? If so send your opinions to...



    or go to...

    http://support.ema-eda.com/

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  4. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hi Jim,

    What is so bad about Capture?

    Regards, Joerg
     
  5. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Terribly unfriendly user interface.

    On the other hand PSpice Schematics is the easiest schematic front-end
    that I've ever used.

    Which is why OrCad bought MicroSim... so they could kill off the
    competition.

    Then Cadence bought OrCad and things just went straight downhill from
    there :-(

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  6. Boris Mohar

    Boris Mohar Guest

    Off screen auto connect for starters and auto connect in general.

    Disconnect during the drag operation.

    Loss of orthogonal in some block drag operations

    Absolutely shity library editor.

    Years ago Cadstar would let you shuffle part pins right on the schematic.
    Years ago DOS would let you move part reference and part values on fine grid
    while keeping everything else on coarse grid.

    Skyrocketing maintenance fees.

    Our local rep does not even have the software installed in their home office.

    I could go on but I am staring to foam.

    Regards,

    Boris Mohar

    Got Knock? - see:
    Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs http://www3.sympatico.ca/borism/

    void _-void-_ in the obvious place
     
  7. That's because you haven't used SS:)


    Kevin Aylward

    http://www.anasoft.co.uk
    SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
    Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
    Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
     
  8. Gregg

    Gregg Guest

    Behold, Jim Thompson signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:
    I agree Jim. But I learned this a long time ago from Duncan Munroe when
    9.x wouldn't support the 8.x models.

    LONG LIVE 3f4 SPICE!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  9. Plus it's not left-hand friendly.

    Remember the old style copy/paste/cut ctrl+ins etc. That is a right
    hand combination for left handed mouse users. Most apps support both,
    EXCEPT, you guessed it, Capture!

    I'd also add that maintenance fees all seem to be spent on adding
    bells and whistles rather than new models. The SM PSU models are
    20yrs old.

    Those in the UK might be interested to know that Cadence is breaking
    UK law. UK is part of the EU which has laws covering EU wide
    purchasing, i.e. I can buy any product/service anywhere in the EU and
    the manufacturer can not limit this. For example a while back people
    were importing right-hand drive (i.e. UK) cars from Europe as the
    price was a lot lower (then). Now UK pspice users can ONLY buy
    maintenance (or pspice) from the UK VAR as that is the terms Cadence
    applies to the VARs. That is breaking EU law. Car manufacturers used
    to do this and got fined AFAIR. I'd actually like to buy maintenance
    from USA as it is 40% cheaper! (VAR set their own price!).


    --

    Malcolm

    Malcolm Reeves BSc CEng MIEE MIRSE, Full Circuit Ltd, Chippenham, UK
    (, or ).
    Design Service for Analogue/Digital H/W & S/W Railway Signalling and Power
    electronics. More details plus freeware, Win95/98 DUN and Pspice tips, see:

    http://www.fullcircuit.com or http://www.fullcircuit.co.uk

    NEW - Desktop ToDo/Reminder program (free)
     
  10. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hi Boris,

    Sounds painful. I don't use any auto features and I love the old DOS
    version. That was when things were reliable, maintenance was not an
    issue and so on.

    As Jim said, after the aquisition it changed. Prices started to become
    pretty non-competitive. Especially when you consider the cost of
    products such as Eagle. Not quite as powerful but the thing is, for 99%
    of design it is enough CAD.

    Still, Capture is the defacto standard in many companies on the West Coast.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  11. Active8

    Active8 Guest

    It's an old 9.8 that came with Orcad 9.8. I though that I'd express
    the opinion that Orcad is good for nothing but Layout and even
    *that* can be dispensed with. Furthermore, I'll get Protel (that's
    partly a bluff. I'm not very fond of Altium at this point.) if I
    can't get PSpice with Schematics in the future.

    Would that be clear enough? By "support", I take it you mean they're
    thinking of dropping Schematics and keeping Capture, right?
     
  12. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    [snip]
    Correct. If they carry thru with their plan, only Capture will "talk"
    to PSpice.

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  13. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:57:41 GMT, Joerg

    [snip]
    And Cadence is the "de facto standard" in most IC houses, but it's a
    piece of crap also... slow and a terrible GUI.

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  14. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hi Jim,
    Since you are one of the IC gurus, what tool are you using? Do your
    clients make you use Cadence? If they didn't, what would be your all
    time favorite these days?

    Regards, Joerg
     
  15. Active8

    Active8 Guest

    That's nice. If they go that way, it's only a matter of time before
    someone discovers the ActiveX interface and writes a new capture
    program. But if they "talk" through the interface using encryption
    or encoding, it won't be so trivial.
     
  16. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Maybe some sharp programmer could crack the interface so that our
    copies of Schematics can talk to PSpice updates.

    I'd gladly pay for the convenience.

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  17. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    I use PSpice to design ICs.

    It might surprise you, but I've recently discovered that a MAJOR
    ANALOG IC manufacturer uses PSpice; when they inquired about creating
    behavioral models.

    But I don't know what they are using for schematic capture.

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  18. Active8

    Active8 Guest

    Boris. Will MegaSquirt work on a TBI system?
     
  19. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hi Jim,
    I did as well during the few times that I had to. But what are you using
    for the layout? Or do you contract that out (we did)?
    Behavioral modeling is great. Some people even used it to model
    mechanical parts which comes in handy when designing things such as
    engine controller.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  20. Actually, I quite like Analog Artist's schematic capture. I don't have
    any major complaints after many solid years using it. It even has a
    great router for wiring up. I think this done to your usual..er.. age...
    bit... you know the one about old dogs and tricks...

    Kevin Aylward

    http://www.anasoft.co.uk
    SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
    Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
    Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
     
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