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PSpice Parametric Sweep

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  1. Active8

    Active8 Guest

    hi:

    there's nothing about this in the manuals. is there a way to specify two
    parameters to be swept? for instance, the capacitive divider in a
    oscillator feedback loop, sweep both.

    alternately, is there a way to specify a component value as a function
    of another parameter or another component (e.g., an R-2R ladder where
    you could just specify R1 and have the others calculated from that value
    which would be handy in a param sweep.)

    i can't delete properties from the PARAMETER properties (ORCAD thing)
    either. and PSpice docs, refer to "NAME=" and "VALUE=", neither of which
    show up in Orcad's property sheet, rather you see "Reference", "Value",
    and any user defined properties which are the ones i can't get rid of.

    thanks,
    mike
     
  2. Er... no idea...but, I recently added an any number of parameters to
    SuperSpice:)

    e.g, my treble and bass example, uses the following file as input.

    ..ReRun MinTrebleBass
    r1 90k
    r2 10k
    r3 90k
    r4 10k
    ..RREnd
    ..ReRun 30%TrebleBass
    r1 70k
    r2 30k
    r3 70k
    r4 30k
    ..RREnd
    ..ReRun 70%TrebleBass
    r1 30k
    r2 70k
    r3 30k
    r4 70k
    ..RREnd
    ..ReRun MaxTrebleBass
    r1 10k
    r2 90k
    r3 10k
    r4 90k
    ..RREnd

    Each set will be run automatically in turn, with everything plotted in
    one go. You can include other parameters such as:

    ..ReRun Run1
    r1 25k
    ..temp 50
    qq2n3904 250 bf
    v3 1.5 amplitude
    ..RREnd


    Kevin Aylward

    http://www.anasoft.co.uk
    SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
    Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
    Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
     
  3. That is the way you do it. Note I'm writing this from schematics
    point of view since IMO is better than OrCAD. Hence you'll either have
    to use schematics or work out what this means in OrCAD.

    Drop in a parameter component and create say X, value 1. Set the
    analysis to sweep this, say 0.01 to 1. Enter component values as say
    {X*10k} and {(1-X)*10k} for a 10K pot. You must have the {} in the
    component value. Alternately you can define parameters R1val, value
    {X*10k} and R2val, value {(1-X)*10k} and then set component values to
    {R1val} and {R2val} which is what I normally do.

    For more complex schemes you can use the IF function, i.e. parameter
    R1val, value {IF(X==1, 10k, 11k)}. In these case you probably will
    set X to be 0, 1, 2, 3 etc. and then use IF statements to set
    individual values as required. On one simulation I built a digital
    set of IF statements i.e. 0-255 steps through all combinations of 8
    components.

    For more complex requirements you could consider .cir stuffing. You
    can include a file with .Param lines to set component values. Hence
    you can use Excel or MathCAD+Excel (the way I do it) to generate
    component values. I used this recently to calculate and optimise
    active filters.

    You could extend that to generating a series of .cir files
    concatenated together. The .cir file is very simple, all the detail
    is in the .net file which gets included. If you join .cir files and
    then run the one file it produces a multi pspice run. You lose the
    link to the schematic so naming your nodes is useful. I have used
    this technique in the past for runs with loads of different component
    variations, although as PC are faster now I might tend to use the
    brute force approach of monte carlo to get the extremes.





    --

    ....malcolm

    Malcolm Reeves BSc CEng MIEE MIRSE, Full Circuit Ltd, Chippenham, UK
    (, or ).
    Design Service for Analogue/Digital H/W & S/W Railway Signalling and Power
    electronics. More details plus freeware, Win95/98 DUN and Pspice tips, see:

    http://www.fullcircuit.com or http://www.fullcircuit.co.uk

    NEW - Desktop ToDo/Reminder program (free)
     
  4. Active8

    Active8 Guest

    it's easier to say in spice than in some cads unfortunately, but we seem
    to be in sync with our cad speak in this case :)
    ok, i forgot about putting the WHOLE expression inside the {} for the
    part value, duh!
    that's what i'm talking about. being able to organize that stuff in the
    ..PARAM lines and since it seems i can only sweep one param, a generic
    param like X would solve the prob. thanks.

    it looks like my transient response goes to hell for certain minor
    variations in component values i.e. as insignificant as choosing
    standard values. we'll see what it looks like now.

    all below is useful info, also. thanks, again. i'm shady on how separate
    spice runs work, though. i know you get output for all runs somehow, but
    that's about it. no info in the spice manual about using .STEP more than
    once or for multiple params, either.

    br,
    mike
     
  5. AFAIK you can't do multiple steps, the exception is DC analysis where
    you can step the DC level and a parameter.

    What you can do is join multiple .cir files i.e.

    copy 1.cir + 2.cir + 3.cir all.cir

    then run all.cir directly with the pspice engine. You can open the
    resulting DAT file in probe and it looks like a stepped run file.
    AFAIR it uses the 1st comment line as the title so it is useful if
    this varies. The advantage of this approach is total control of the
    cir file, disadvantage is loss of link to schematic for probing.

    If you have a look at a .cir generated by schematics if pretty simple
    to see what you need to produce. Pretty easy with perl or basic, or
    excel basic.

    --

    ....malcolm

    Malcolm Reeves BSc CEng MIEE MIRSE, Full Circuit Ltd, Chippenham, UK
    (, or ).
    Design Service for Analogue/Digital H/W & S/W Railway Signalling and Power
    electronics. More details plus freeware, Win95/98 DUN and Pspice tips, see:

    http://www.fullcircuit.com or http://www.fullcircuit.co.uk

    NEW - Desktop ToDo/Reminder program (free)
     
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