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Peter

Jan 1, 1970
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Can someone tell me how you unroute a PCB?

Thanks

Peter
 
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Brad Velander

Jan 1, 1970
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Peter,
Simply selecting traces and deleting them. It can be done quite easily
in a couple of clicks per layer for deleting every trace on a layer. If you
are wanting something more selective then try embellishing on this tip.

For every trace on a layer, double click on one trace segment bring open
the property window for that trace. Click on the Global button near the
bottom. On the first Tab where you will find the trace's layer listed,
select "same" in the middle column match by field beside the layer. Now
click on the select checkbox near the bottom of the window. This will select
all traces on the same layer when you close the property window. After all
the traces are selected press Shift-Delete and all of those traces will be
deleted.

That is the manner that I usually use. However if you are a little
wilder and adventurous you could have set the same layer matching to "Any".
Then you would have deleted all traces on every layer in one quick delete.
Likewise if you selected "Different" then you would delete every trace
except those on the layer you started. After you press the Shift-Delete
after closing the trace property window and allowing the selection to be
performed.

For more selective removal of traces you just have to find some way of
matching their properties to do a different global editing selection and
then the same Shift-Delete. You can also use the selection tools to "S"elect
Connected Co"P"per (C,P) or something like "S"elect "N"et (S, N) which will
select a whole net whether or not it is all routed yet.

You really have to get a grasp on the Global Editing and then the
varying manners of selecting items. Also as you go through the menus, pay
attention to the hot keys for each function (usually the capitalized or
quoted letters in the menu commands. It is sure quicker than clicking
through menus. Also just try some semi-intuitive letter keys, i.e. "S" for
select, "P" for place (traces, vias, pads, lines, component decals, etc.),
"E" for d"E"select, "D" for Design rules, "G" for grid, etc.. You can also
look in the Help and find a listing of the "Hot Keys", I know it is usually
not easily found but I know it is in there somewhere, then you can print it
out for reference. Then look at the other choices presented when these keys
are pressed. Make a practice copy of your file so that you don't mes up the
only copy and then just play and experiment, you should be able to catch on
real quickly.
 
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Gunther Mannigel

Jan 1, 1970
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Peter said:
Can someone tell me how you unroute a PCB?

tools -> unroute -> all
Sometimes, some tracks are left: x a (deselect all),
doubleclick on a track, global, tick selection, ok.
All remaining tracks should be highlighted.
ctrl del clears all tracks.

cheers
Gunther
 
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Brad Velander

Jan 1, 1970
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Damn,
you know how long I have used P99SE and I didn't know that was there or
that it would unroute manually routed traces. Just shows how bad the
documentation is when you don't even know a significant function is there.
 
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Simon Peacock

Jan 1, 1970
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Just be careful you don't click on GND when you are doing unroute.. it can
take a while

Simon
 
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Johnny Boy

Jan 1, 1970
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Simon Peacock said:
Just be careful you don't click on GND when you are doing unroute.. it can
take a while

Simon
I know this is an old thread, so I don't really expect replies, but... does
this work in Protel ADVPCB?

.... Johnny
 
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Simon Peacock

Jan 1, 1970
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yep still works (in DXP 2004)

Simon
 
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Johnny Boy

Jan 1, 1970
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Simon Peacock said:
yep still works (in DXP 2004)

Simon
Sorry Simon, I should have been more specific - I meant Protel ADVPCB
version 2.5, (Copyright 1991-1994)
Yep, I'm still using this relic. Works well for me. I mostly do 1-off boards
and when I do need a number, "IMP PC" in S.A., (Australia) can handle the
output files and they do a great job, with all of the usual features. I'm
too old to start learning again if I can possibly avoid it.

.... Johnny
 
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Simon Peacock

Jan 1, 1970
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Johnny Boy said:
Sorry Simon, I should have been more specific - I meant Protel ADVPCB
version 2.5, (Copyright 1991-1994)
Yep, I'm still using this relic. Works well for me. I mostly do 1-off boards
and when I do need a number, "IMP PC" in S.A., (Australia) can handle the
output files and they do a great job, with all of the usual features. I'm
too old to start learning again if I can possibly avoid it.

That's the old windows 3.11 version isn't it? not even win 98/xp
If it is, I can't remember. I have that version sitting around here
somewhere but Protel 99SE is far superior. It has exactly the same key
strokes but is considerably more robust. Unroutes weren't very reliable in
the 3.11 version as net names weren't as sticky (especially after updating
schematic to an existing PCB. The whole update process was considerably
upgraded between the win 3.11 stuff and Protel 3.0. Then again in Protel
99SE. Protel 99SE SP 6 is probably one of the best versions they have
released (after the 3.11 stuff). The newer DXP derivatives have more bells
but you need a high performance PC to run it. 99SE fly's with most modern
PC's and runs well under XP.

If you can afford it and can find it, I would defiantly recommend the
upgrade to 99SE. DXP is to unstable and they are adding features rather
than addressing some of the older problems.

Simon
 
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Johnny Boy

Jan 1, 1970
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Simon Peacock said:
unroute..

That's the old windows 3.11 version isn't it? not even win 98/xp
If it is, I can't remember. I have that version sitting around here
somewhere but Protel 99SE is far superior. It has exactly the same key
strokes but is considerably more robust. Unroutes weren't very reliable in
the 3.11 version as net names weren't as sticky (especially after updating
schematic to an existing PCB. The whole update process was considerably
upgraded between the win 3.11 stuff and Protel 3.0. Then again in Protel
99SE. Protel 99SE SP 6 is probably one of the best versions they have
released (after the 3.11 stuff). The newer DXP derivatives have more bells
but you need a high performance PC to run it. 99SE fly's with most modern
PC's and runs well under XP.

If you can afford it and can find it, I would defiantly recommend the
upgrade to 99SE. DXP is to unstable and they are adding features rather
than addressing some of the older problems.

Simon
You're right about the vintage Simon, but it does work well under XP. Still,
it's probably time for an upgrade sometime in the near future.

.... Johnny
 
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Simon Peacock

Jan 1, 1970
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You wont regret an upgrade to 99SE... I wouldn't recommend going to DXP
unless you really want to replace your PC as well.
the trouble is getting a copy of 99SE these days. Its not supported but
occasionally you can find a copy. Ask on the DXP groups, you might find one
lurking around.

Simon
 
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Johnny Boy

Jan 1, 1970
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Simon Peacock said:
You wont regret an upgrade to 99SE... I wouldn't recommend going to DXP
unless you really want to replace your PC as well.
the trouble is getting a copy of 99SE these days. Its not supported but
occasionally you can find a copy. Ask on the DXP groups, you might find one
lurking around.

Simon
Actually, one of my PCs is only a couple of months old, running XP Pro,
but I like using the old Win98 PC as my workhorse because it still allows
direct port access and I'm also using PIC programmer parallel port software
and other stuff, some is my own DIY software written with VC 6.0, that
relies on this.
It's probably about time I upgraded everything, but the cost is
prohibitive.

.... J (Steve)
 
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Johnny Boy

Jan 1, 1970
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Johnny Boy said:
Actually, one of my PCs is only a couple of months old, running XP Pro,
but I like using the old Win98 PC as my workhorse because it still allows
direct port access and I'm also using PIC programmer parallel port software
and other stuff, some is my own DIY software written with VC 6.0, that
relies on this.

Sorry, the above should have been VC++ 5.0, not 6.0.
.... Steve
 
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David Brown

Jan 1, 1970
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Johnny said:
Actually, one of my PCs is only a couple of months old, running XP Pro,
but I like using the old Win98 PC as my workhorse because it still allows
direct port access and I'm also using PIC programmer parallel port software
and other stuff, some is my own DIY software written with VC 6.0, that
relies on this.
It's probably about time I upgraded everything, but the cost is
prohibitive.

... J (Steve)

It's easy enough to get direct port access with NT-based windows as
well. The great majority of software that accesses the parallel port
uses the "giveio" driver - it's easy to incorporate it into your own
software too. The program simply needs to open a handle to the giveio
driver, and then it gets direct access to the parallel port just like on
toy windows. If you have old programs that you need to run, you can
also use the "totalio" driver - once that driver is started as a
service, all programs get access to the parallel port (and all other
hardware - it's a bit dangerous, so only activate it when needed!).
 
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