Positive Lightning?

[Radium]

Hi:

Positive lightning consists of the movement of positive ions. Its
voltage and amperage are considerably higher than that of negative
lightning. As a result, positive lightning is more dangerous -- both to
living and non-living entities-- than negative lightning. Negative
lightning consists simply of free-electrons moving from negative to
positive region.

My question is, what are the chemicals that positively charged in the
positive lighting? Are they are H+ ions? What other positively charged
chemicals make up positive lightning?


Regards,

Radium

 

[Tim Williams]

Electrons are a thousand times lighter than even the lightest ion (H+), so
carry 99.9% of the electric current, NO MATTER THE DIRECTION.

A positive charge is merely an absence of negative charge.

So go ahead and read a damn book, this is in any physics text dealing with
electricity.

Tim

 

[Radium]

Electrons are a thousand times lighter than even the lightest ion (H+), so
carry 99.9% of the electric current, NO MATTER THE DIRECTION.

A positive charge is merely an absence of negative charge.

So, IOW, the absence of an electron. Thats a bit confusing.

 

[Radium]

Electrons are a thousand times lighter than even the lightest ion (H+), so
carry 99.9% of the electric current, NO MATTER THE DIRECTION.

A positive charge is merely an absence of negative charge.

So go ahead and read a damn book, this is in any physics text dealing with
electricity.

Tim

In positive lightning, positive charges take the place of electrons.
What are these positive charges? You say they are "absence of negative
charges". I am stumped here.

 

[Chris]

In positive lightning, positive charges take the place of electrons.
What are these positive charges? You say they are "absence of negative
charges". I am stumped here.

Hi again, radium. In any matter with no net charge, positive charge
and negative charge balance out. If there's more electrons than
protons, there's a net negative charge. If there are fewer electrons
than protons, you have a net positive charge.

Again, this is sci.*.*. It's kind of assumed you'll make an effort
here.

If the charge business is still confusing, most eighth grade science
textbooks will have a good basic explanation in the electicity section
-- it's usually toward the back of the book.

Cheers
Chris

 

[John Fields]

Hi:

Positive lightning consists of the movement of positive ions. Its
voltage and amperage are considerably higher than that of negative
lightning. As a result, positive lightning is more dangerous -- both to
living and non-living entities-- than negative lightning. Negative
lightning consists simply of free-electrons moving from negative to
positive region.

 

[John Fields]

In positive lightning, positive charges take the place of electrons.
What are these positive charges? You say they are "absence of negative
charges". I am stumped here.

---
Perhaps this will clear it up for you:

So these two Cesium atoms are walking down the street. Says the
first Cesium atom, "Oh my god! I think I'm missing an electron".
Says the second, "are you sure?" Says the first, "I'm positive".

 

[jasen]

Hi:

Positive lightning consists of the movement of positive ions. Its
voltage and amperage are considerably higher than that of negative
lightning. As a result, positive lightning is more dangerous -- both to
living and non-living entities-- than negative lightning. Negative
lightning consists simply of free-electrons moving from negative to
positive region.

sounds like bullshit to me.

Bye.
Jasen

 

[jasen]

Tim Williams wrote:

In positive lightning, positive charges take the place of electrons.
What are these positive charges? You say they are "absence of negative
charges".

Positive ions are atoms (or groups of atoms) with too-few electrons to
balance the charge of the protons in the nucleus.

the air is roughly 4/5 nitrogen so expect a high proportion of nitrogen ions.

I am stumped here.

This isn't something you read on keeleynet is it?
Those guys do an immitation of science.

Bye.
Jasen

 

[John O'Flaherty]

Hi:

Positive lightning consists of the movement of positive ions. Its
voltage and amperage are considerably higher than that of negative
lightning. As a result, positive lightning is more dangerous -- both to
living and non-living entities-- than negative lightning. Negative
lightning consists simply of free-electrons moving from negative to
positive region.

My question is, what are the chemicals that positively charged in the
positive lighting? Are they are H+ ions? What other positively charged
chemicals make up positive lightning?

Positive lightning is when the cloud is positive with respect to
ground, where negative or ordinary lightning has the cloud negative wrt
ground. So in both cases, there are a positive and negative side, and
the charge movement is still in the form of electrons. The streamers
that initiate the strike, which I take it are lines of ionized air
reaching for the opposite polarity, will be negative or positive at
cloud and ground depending on the type of lightning. A positive
streamer probably consists of ionized air that has a deficiency of
electrons, because the electrons were sucked away by the electric
field. There would have to be positive ions in that streamer, but they
wouldn't move very much, because their mass is thousands of times
greater than that of electrons (1800 for a single proton; so for an
oxygen atom, for example, 30,000 times greater). With an electric
field, and an electron with one negative charge and an atom with one
positive charge that is 30,000 times heavier, the movement will be
similarly divided.
The answer to what is in the positively charge streamer is just
whatever atoms make up air, but ionized by the loss of electrons. But
the positive ions don't move much and the charge transfer is by
electrons.

I googled an interesting article about positive and bipolar lightning:

http://tinyurl.com/nmmcc

 

[Radium]

Positive lightning is when the cloud is positive with respect to
ground, where negative or ordinary lightning has the cloud negative wrt
ground. So in both cases, there are a positive and negative side, and
the charge movement is still in the form of electrons. The streamers
that initiate the strike, which I take it are lines of ionized air
reaching for the opposite polarity, will be negative or positive at
cloud and ground depending on the type of lightning. A positive
streamer probably consists of ionized air that has a deficiency of
electrons, because the electrons were sucked away by the electric
field. There would have to be positive ions in that streamer, but they
wouldn't move very much, because their mass is thousands of times
greater than that of electrons (1800 for a single proton; so for an
oxygen atom, for example, 30,000 times greater). With an electric
field, and an electron with one negative charge and an atom with one
positive charge that is 30,000 times heavier, the movement will be
similarly divided.
The answer to what is in the positively charge streamer is just
whatever atoms make up air, but ionized by the loss of electrons. But
the positive ions don't move much and the charge transfer is by
electrons.

I googled an interesting article about positive and bipolar lightning:

http://tinyurl.com/nmmcc

Thanks for clearing my confusion.

 

[John Larkin]

You forgot about neutral lightning, which is the most dangerous of
all and has been implicated in SHC.

And there's the low-power-factor kind, imaginary lightning.

John

 

[Bob Myers]

Hi:

Positive lightning consists of the movement of positive ions. Its
voltage and amperage are considerably higher than that of negative
lightning. As a result, positive lightning is more dangerous -- both to
living and non-living entities-- than negative lightning. Negative
lightning consists simply of free-electrons moving from negative to
positive region.

Since at least most of the assertions in the above are incorrect,
your questions are completely meaningless.

Bob M.

 

[Weatherlawyer]

Positive lightning consists of the movement of positive ions. Its
voltage and amperage are considerably higher than that of negative
lightning. As a result, positive lightning is more dangerous -- both to
living and non-living entities-- than negative lightning. Negative
lightning consists simply of free-electrons moving from negative to
positive region.

My question is, what are the chemicals that positively charged in the
positive lighting? Are they are H+ ions? What other positively charged
chemicals make up positive lightning?

It would appear that the storms that have +ve strikes occur with the
huge cells that produce megalightning. And this has been associated
with the upper atmosphere radiation layer, the ionosphere.

Perhaps it isn't hydrogen that is involved directly.

But there is a lot of it around.

I doubt there are many primers that discuss positively charged strikes,
so you can safely ignore the idiots who try to tear strips off you.
They will fall over their own arses sooner rather than later.

 

[Szczepan Bialek]

Positive lighting means that free-electrons are moving from the earth to
clouds. So do not worry about chemicals.

Steve

 

[Jon Slaughter]

Electrons are a thousand times lighter than even the lightest ion (H+), so
carry 99.9% of the electric current, NO MATTER THE DIRECTION.

nope, thats not true. Electronics tend to just be the easiest method to use
as energy transfer.

You can have neutron flow, proton flow, ionic flow, and probably even
others. Plamsa can also conduct I'd imagine its due to both electronic and
ionic reasons.

A positive charge is merely an absence of negative charge.

hmm... so is a negative charge the absence of positive charge?

So go ahead and read a damn book, this is in any physics text dealing with

Not true. I have many physics books I would wager that not all of them(or
even half) deal with this specific subject. I do have a book that deals
specifically with netron flow and using it for energy transfer. Ofcours
ethe problem with these things is they are not easy to use. Electrons ar
ethe easiest because we can guide them with wires.

 

[Charles]

nope, thats not true. Electronics tend to just be the easiest method to use
as energy transfer.

You can have neutron flow, proton flow, ionic flow, and probably even
others. Plamsa can also conduct I'd imagine its due to both electronic and
ionic reasons.

How do you make neutron flow?

 

[Tim Auton]

nope, thats not true. Electronics tend to just be the easiest method to use
as energy transfer.

You can have neutron flow, proton flow, ionic flow, and probably even
others. Plamsa can also conduct I'd imagine its due to both electronic and
ionic reasons.

Tell me how there is a net movement of charge when you shift neutrons
about. I could do with a laugh.


Tim

 

[Sjouke Burry]

How do you make neutron flow?

For lightning: Electrons up and/or down,
they cause plasma, but that plasma certainly
does not "flow" in any useful way, its just formed,
and then dissipates,while creating the big
thunderclap.

 

[Tim Williams]

Tell me how there is a net movement of charge when you shift neutrons
about. I could do with a laugh.

It seems to me there could be a whole mess of complicated dynamics around
the matter which neutron stars are made of: convection, gravitational and
strong-force interactions at least; but an electrical current, i.e.,
movement of electric charge, obviously not.

Tim