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Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by [email protected], Jun 12, 2006.

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  1. Guest

    I live in Riverside, CA (about 50 miles east of Los Angeles).

    I do not have a cable system nor a satellite ("dish") system.

    Except for small "dish"-type antennas, the condo-rules allow
    "yagi"-type antennas only in the attic of each house. But, knowing how
    much signal is lost by attic-installation, my Terk TV38 antenna is
    laying on a flat roof (so it's not too conspicuous to the condo-board).
    A coax cable runs across the roof for 15 feet, goes down 4 feet into
    the attic and is connected to a Radio Shack signal amplifier. A coax
    cable goes from the amplifier, through the attic for about 30 feet to
    the TV set.

    Here are the channels I get:

    Note: KVCR 24's broadcast tower has a compass orientation of 51 degrees
    and is 9 miles from my house. The towers for all of the other channels
    have a compass orientation of 287 degrees and are 43 miles from my

    Call sign Network Channel Reception Rating *

    KCBS CBS 2 F
    KNBC NBC 4 G
    KTLA WB 5 E
    KABC ABC 7 E
    KCAL IND 9 F
    KTTV FOX 11 P
    KCOP UPN 13 P
    KVCR PBS 24 P
    KCET PBS 28 F
    KOCE PBS 50 E
    KDOC IND 56 G
    KLCS PBS 58 E

    * Reception ratings:
    E = excellent (crystal clear)
    G = slight snow
    F = moderate snow
    P = can't see picture

    Any suggestions on what I can do to get better reception?
  2. g. beat

    g. beat Guest

    I have no experience (quality) with this specific TV antenna product (Terk
    Having lived in a deep fringe (90 - 110 mile) area for 20 years - and only a
    few miles from the Winegard factory -- I only purchase Winegard antenna

    You really need to get this yagi to have a clear shot at the horizon (LA
    broadcast towers).

    You could complain to the condo association or suggest that they lower the
    association fees to cover the monthly costs of satellite dishes for all
    condo residents.
    The "discrimination" of the rules against on-air TV (decent signal and
    future HDTV) is unlawful.
    One antenna could serve the entire building (MATV)

    If you don't want to petition or fight it, then you chose to live there --
    with these covenants.

  3. g. beat

    g. beat Guest

    Here is US LAW .. provide this to your condo association attorney.
    Section 207 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, FCC web site

    You should exercise point #3 below.
    Q: What types of antennas are covered by the rule?

    A: The rule applies to the following types of antennas:

    (1) A "dish" antenna that is one meter (39.37") or less in diameter (or any
    size dish if located in Alaska) and is designed to receive direct broadcast
    satellite service, including direct-to-home satellite service, or to receive
    or transmit fixed wireless signals via satellite.

    (2) An antenna that is one meter or less in diameter or diagonal measurement
    and is designed to receive video programming services via broadband radio
    service (wireless cable) or to receive or transmit fixed wireless signals
    other than via satellite.

    (3) An antenna that is designed to receive local television broadcast
    signals. Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to
    local permitting requirements.

    In addition, antennas covered by the rule may be mounted on "masts" to reach
    the height needed to receive or transmit an acceptable quality signal (e.g.
    maintain line-of-sight contact with the transmitter or view the satellite).
    Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local
    permitting requirements for safety purposes. Further, masts that extend
    beyond an exclusive use area may not be covered by this rule.


  4. g. beat

    g. beat Guest

    This restriction is in violation of Section 207 of the Telecommunications
    Act of 1996, unless a WAIVER has been filed with the FCC.

    Q: Who is responsible for showing that a restriction is enforceable?

    A: When a conflict arises about whether a restriction is valid, the local
    government, community association, property owner, or management entity that
    is trying to enforce the restriction has the burden of proving that the
    restriction is valid. This means that no matter who questions the validity
    of the restriction, the burden will always be on the entity seeking to
    enforce the restriction to prove that the restriction is permitted under the
    rule or that it qualifies for a waiver.

    Q: Can I be fined and required to remove my antenna immediately if the
    Commission determines that a restriction is valid?

    A: If the Commission determines that the restriction is valid, you will have
    a minimum of 21 days to comply with this ruling. If you remove your antenna
    during this period, in most cases you cannot be fined. However, this 21-day
    grace period does not apply if the FCC rule does not apply to your
    installation (for example, if the antenna is installed on a condominium
    general common element or hanging outside beyond an apartment balcony. If
    the FCC rule does not apply at all in your case, the 21-day grace period
    does not apply.

    Q: Who do I call if my town, community association or landlord is enforcing
    an invalid restriction?

    A: Call the Federal Communications Commission at (888) CALLFCC
    (888-225-5322), which is a toll-free number, or 202-418-7096, which is not
    toll-free. Some assistance may also be available from the direct broadcast
    satellite company, broadband radio service provider, television broadcast
    station, or fixed wireless company whose service is desired.
  5. Guest

    50 miles is at the edge of this antenna but it will fall into the FCC
    rules. The preamp version might do a little better.

    I use one at 35 miles (no preamp) in 90274 and it does very well. Note
    -- this is a UHF only unit. It is barely marginal on hi band VHF and is
    useless for lo VHF (2-6). Currently, all DTV in LA is UHF.

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