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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by rickman, May 23, 2008.

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  1. It seems that prices in much of the rest of the world are $6-$9/gallon, and
    that's about where ours will start to stabilize. Hopefully that will reduce
    the waste of energy by many of the people who commute long distances in
    stop and go traffic in their SUVs. But it will probably be more as a result
    of their jobs being eliminated as energy costs drive everything else up.

    Here is an interesting link that shows who is making the most from higher
    fuel prices:

    http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.html

    If these figures can be believed, there is really very little profit being
    made by US distributors, and the profits of refineries has dropped in the
    last year or so, but the biggest cost by far is the price of crude oil. And
    that money goes pretty much directly to the King of Saudi Arabia.

    Still, this does not explain the much higher cost of motor fuel in Europe.
    It seems to be from taxes, and they are levied as a percentage of price as
    well as per unit quantity. I found this in a post:

    ....here the prices in Germany:

    benzin 1 liter à 1,50 Euro (tax 65,45 €cent/Liter + VAT 19%)
    diesel 1 liter à 1,50 Euro (tax 47,04 €cent/Liter + VAT 19%)

    It was about the same in Italy.

    Paul
     
  2. MooseFET

    MooseFET Guest

    What a wonderful argument. Lets see where you take it from here.

    Phase change materials store energy quite well but they cost a lot of
    money compared to water and being solid, they don't pump through pipes
    very well. This drives the expense even higher. But if that's the
    way you want to go, more power to you.

    So far a surprisingly thoughtful argument.

    But if it is part of an electric car, it makes a lot os sense to
    consider them as part of the variable load. Note the "if" part of the
    statement.
     
  3. MooseFET

    MooseFET Guest

    Many years back someone where I work was provided with her very own
    thermostat complete with a blinking LED and a a know for setting the
    temperature. She was a lot more comfortable from then until someone
    told her it was just a box with a blinking light.
     
  4. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

    Time of use electric meters are standard technology. Just 'cause you
    don't have one does not mean that they do not exist.
     
  5. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

    I have a time of day & day of week thermostat with convenient user
    override. It helps a bit.
     
  6. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

    All that much? Do you want to vaporize the grid?
     
  7. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

  8. MooseFET

    MooseFET Guest

    We really love the illusion of being in control of things even when we
    aren't really. The feeling that you are not in control increases your
    discomfort level a great deal. People often don't notice they hurt
    them selves at a sport when they are winning the game.

    In the building I worked in some years back, the thermostat for one
    area was in another and the others was in the one. The result was a
    nifty flip flop where one heater or the other would run flat out until
    in managed to actually warm the other area up indirectly. Some days,
    when I was working on something that was actually working, I wouldn't
    notice. Others, I would nearly die from the heat. I am sure that the
    temperature was always just as uncomfortable.

    BTW: In the summer, people could put on extra layers of clothing so
    the air conditioning flip-flop was less troubling.



    Activity also makes a huge difference as does eating. It is very
    likely that what you eat matters too.
     
  9. krw

    krw Guest

    Ever hear of taxes? Oil is oil. The weenies pay a lot more taxes.
    You'd like that.
    Ah HA! He does understand the obvious, after all.
     
  10. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

    That's neat. And it spools up and down a bit faster than normal
    hydroelectric.
     
  11. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest


  12. Breeders can use thorium too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_Reactor
     
  13. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

    Between us we just about skinned linnix proper.
     
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