Connect with us

Poles and zeroes in two port parameters (passive structures)

Discussion in 'Electronic Basics' started by Joel Kolstad, Nov 5, 2004.

Scroll to continue with content
  1. Joel Kolstad

    Joel Kolstad Guest

    Would anyone have a pointer to where I might found information about the
    'allowable' S-plane locations for poles and zeroes in two port networks
    parameters for passive structures, specifically Y, Z, and S parameters?

    These are my thoughts:

    -- Whatever applies to Y probably applies as Z as well.
    -- Since Z11, Z22, Y11, and Y22 can all be seen as simple input
    impedances/admittances, none of them should have right half-plane (RHP)
    poles OR ZEROES.
    -- Z12, Z21, Y12, and Y21 probably can't have RHP poles but probably can
    have RHP zeroes.
    -- S parameters are a complex enough transformation that it's unclear to me
    whether or not there are any particular restrictions.

    The reason I ask... I generate equivalent circuit models from measurement
    data using curve fitting; the results are in the form of a rational
    polynomial that can be readily factored to its pole/zero formulation. It'd
    be nice to have an 'eyeball' method of ensuring the resultant ECM is stable.

    Pointers to network theory books discussing this would also be appreciated.

    ---Joel Kolstad
  2. The Phantom

    The Phantom Guest

    This topic seems a little advanced for this group, but no matter.

    You will find what you are looking for in most any textbook on
    network synthesis, such as Guillemin or Van Valkenburg for example.

    For passive networks, the facts are these:

    The zeroes and poles of a driving point immittance must be in the LHP
    or on the jw-axis (in the latter case, they must be simple).

    The poles of the transfer immittance must be in the LHP or on the
    jw-axis (and simple if on the axis). The zeroes may be anywhere in
    the complex plane (for a ladder they may not be in the RHP) and for
    grounded networks (which would be most typical networks), they may not
    be on the positive real axis. Poles may not be at the origin or at
    infinity. The degree of the numerator may equal but not exceed the
    degree of the denominator.

    This is straight out of Van Valkenburg.
  3. Joel Kolstad

    Joel Kolstad Guest

    Thanks for the pointer, Mr. Phantom; I'll look up the references.
    I'm all for suggestions for other groups. Unlike, say, the Physics
    newsgroups, most of the electronics newsgroups are design related and none
    are really theory related... but I figured 'basic' was as close as I could
    Even with regards to S parameters?

    Thanks again,
  4. The Phantom

    The Phantom Guest

    Not in the older texts such as Guillemin and Van Valkenburg. The
    newer texts probably, but I don't have any in my personal library, so
    I can't be sure.
Ask a Question
Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?
You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.
Electronics Point Logo
Continue to site
Quote of the day