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Please explain how this works

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Mitch

Jan 1, 1970
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I took a pen lazer, , applied a couple volts and an Audio signal, wired a
solar panel to an audio receiver , beam lazer onto solar panel and i get the
audio comming out of receiver,.
TIA
 
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Coyoteboy

Jan 1, 1970
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Surely to have done this you need to have the understanding of why it
works, otherwise you wouldnt have done it?
 
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tom

Jan 1, 1970
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It didn't. There's no way it COULD have worked like you say it did. When
it was producing a signal, was it like a voice? Was it a voice telling you
to do things? If so, what kinds of things does the voice tell you to do?
You need to get to the bottom of this for the sake of your own well-being.
Try quitting methamphetamines and coke for a while, see if that has any
effect.
No, I'm not just being sarcastic, I'm serious.
 
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Mitch

Jan 1, 1970
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Your a fucking asshole,

tom said:
It didn't. There's no way it COULD have worked like you say it did. When
it was producing a signal, was it like a voice? Was it a voice telling you
to do things? If so, what kinds of things does the voice tell you to do?
You need to get to the bottom of this for the sake of your own well-being.
Try quitting methamphetamines and coke for a while, see if that has any
effect.
No, I'm not just being sarcastic, I'm serious.
 
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Mitch

Jan 1, 1970
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No, I do understand why it works, I had a solar panel from a previous
project, and for some reason i had thought about trying this, so i did, and
it did what i was hoping it to do, Infact i also tried using a LED in place
of the lazer and it works too, but distance is short, . Im not on Crack or
anything, Try it and you will see...
 
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Mitch

Jan 1, 1970
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Supposed to be a NOT in there " I do NOT understand how it works"
 
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Coyoteboy

Jan 1, 1970
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It couldnt have worked because, IIRC, solar cells do not respond fast
enough to convert the signal back from varying amplitude light. Plus
connecting up the laser would not be as simple as you suggest. you
would need to use some sort of phototransistor to get a reasonable
response speed and sample sound from it.
 
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Tom

Jan 1, 1970
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Don't have to, I already know it won't work. It's like if someone said "I
got a fan, started it turning, and pointed it at a windpower generator, and
then plugged the fan into the wind-generator, and a feedback loop started
where the more the fan blew, the more electricity was generated, and the
more the fan blew and now there's a hurricane blowing down houses and I've
get megavolts of electricity".
For one thing there's nowhere near enough wattage to begin to power a
speaker, then there's a million other easons, like the response times, etc
etc.
Just admit it, you haven't tried it out at all, you're trying it out on us,
now.
 
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Mitch

Jan 1, 1970
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Well, there is no reason for me to make something like this up, Im telling
you, it does work,
For the 7 buks it would cost for a small solar panel and a lazer pointer ,
try it out. PLEASE.
 
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Winston

Jan 1, 1970
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Mitch said:
I took a pen lazer, , applied a couple volts and an Audio signal, wired a
solar panel to an audio receiver , beam lazer onto solar panel and i get the
audio comming out of receiver,.
TIA

Amplitude modulation.

You caused a varying current through the laser diode.
This caused the flux density (brightness) of the laser beam to change
in step with the changing current. The modulated light you created
traveled to your solar cell and was amplified so that you could hear it
as sound.

Light beam radio. Optical amplitude modulator and detector.

Same ting.

When I was doing this stuff 38 years ago, I wired a tiny lightbulb in
series with a battery and low-impedance winding of a transformer to modulate
the brightness of the bulb. With an appropriate lens, I transmitted audio
over fifty feet.

Your next experiment involves using a switching transistor in series with
your laser, driven from the Transmit Data pin of the serial port on your computer.

Set up two computers thusly and create your own optical data network!

Next, graduate to PIN photodiodes in parabolic mirrors and infrared lasers
to transmit data for fairly long distances. (Not for use in the rain!)


--Winston
 
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Mitch

Jan 1, 1970
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Why would i try it out on you?
Your a fucking cock sucking Faggot.
If you dont have anyting good to say then **** off.
 
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Mitch

Jan 1, 1970
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Hey jack ass, read my first post, the laser is beaming onto a solar panel
that is plugged into an audio receiver, not straight into a speaker you
fucking retard.
**** off you piece of shit, go **** your mother some more.
 
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Mitch

Jan 1, 1970
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Winston said:
Amplitude modulation.

You caused a varying current through the laser diode.
This caused the flux density (brightness) of the laser beam to change
in step with the changing current. The modulated light you created
traveled to your solar cell and was amplified so that you could hear it
as sound.

Light beam radio. Optical amplitude modulator and detector.

Same ting.

When I was doing this stuff 38 years ago, I wired a tiny lightbulb in
series with a battery and low-impedance winding of a transformer to
modulate
the brightness of the bulb. With an appropriate lens, I transmitted audio
over fifty feet.

Your next experiment involves using a switching transistor in series with
your laser, driven from the Transmit Data pin of the serial port on your
computer.

Set up two computers thusly and create your own optical data network!

Next, graduate to PIN photodiodes in parabolic mirrors and infrared lasers
to transmit data for fairly long distances. (Not for use in the rain!)


--Winston

I did notice that you can very slightly see the brightness fluctuate.
And I was thinking about data communication with this,
Thank you for the Info
 
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loedown

Jan 1, 1970
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Mitch,
From your explanation, it can be perceived as not being
possible, you haven't included much in the way of details, just rudimentary
points. If someone else believes that you are making it up, just for the
sake of it, instead of blasting them with profanity, perhaps you could
embellish your original story, so that people get a better idea of what you
are doing.

I am not an administrator, in this NG, or any other, but I think your
response was well over the top, and people may think twice about responding
to you again.

Paul
 
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Mitch

Jan 1, 1970
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are you his bitch? did you read the bullshit that was comming out of his
cock sucker?? I explained it well enough, If you read down below to winstons
post, you will see he understood exactly what i am doing.
 
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loedown

Jan 1, 1970
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Mitch,
Read what I wrote, it's only a suggestion and no I am not his
bitch.

Paul
 
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Winston

Jan 1, 1970
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(Optical communication theory of operation)
I did notice that you can very slightly see the brightness fluctuate.
And I was thinking about data communication with this,
Thank you for the Info
You're welcome.
For fun sometime, I suggest connecting a scope across your
solar cell to see the resulting waveform. With another
scope channel, have a look at the original waveform.

You will probably notice some significant waveform distortion
as the signal works its way through the laser and your solar cell.
Both of these parts are "non-linear" and will *not* give you a
low - distortion waveform at the receiving end until you re-center
the zero-crossing point of your modulator and adjust the current
level to stay away from over - and under - modulation (driving the
laser too much or too little with the sound signal). After you do
that, both waveforms will look similar.

The laser is controlled by a 'constant current driver' circuit, meant
to prevent the laser from overheating when using fresh batteries and
to keep laser emission constant as the batteries flatten out.

Each alternate half cycle, you are subtracting from available battery
current ("bucking" the current). Every other half-cycle of your
modulation signal, you are increasing the current available to the
laser ("boosting" the current). This is largely what is causing
the laser brightness to be "modulated" or controlled by your sound
source.

Meanwhile, the 'driver' circuit is doing its best to even out those
current changes! Ironically, the poor (high-frequency handling)
characteristics of the 'driver' circuit in your laser pointer is the
reason that you can modulate the laser beam at all.

The "buck" and "boost" terms are industry standard descriptions
for switchmode power supply design. Now you know that a "boost"
converter places two power sources in series and in-phase to increase
output voltage and a "buck" converter puts these series power sources
180 degrees out of phase to reduce output voltage. Very efficient.

What if you used two lasers at one end and two photodiodes at
the other end, arranging one laser to become brighter during positive
transitions of the source sound and the other laser to be brighter
during negative transitions of the source sound? Put the photo-
diodes in series and connect your amplifer at the center tap.

Now your system is much more immune to interference from flashbulbs
and reflections, because these 'noise' sources cause both photo-
diodes to conduct more readily, 'phase-canceling' the interference.

Is this stuff fun, or what? :)

--Winston
 
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Coyoteboy

Jan 1, 1970
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That would be a phototransistor - far faster response abilities than a
solar cell in my experience, by orders of magnitude.

J
 
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Mitch

Jan 1, 1970
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Sorry there guy, i am just pissed off at his comments.
 
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