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  1. Tim

    Tim Guest

    Hi I am getting a Plasma soon, and was told by the TV shop, that I should
    get these you beaut $150 leads, that give out a much better picture than the
    standard av leads.
    Is this true, or is it just to get more money out of me ?

    Thanks again guys
     
  2. It is complete bullshit, and there are many manufacturers of "high
    performance" leads like this to cater for a fairly sizable gullible
    market.
    "Monster Cables" are the classic bullshit brand, I saw a HDMI "Monster
    Cable" in Hardly Normals the other day for $300.

    Don't buy leads in the shop (esp HDMI), eBay have them at much more
    realistic prices.

    You won't see (or hear) a lick of difference between different cable
    brands or prices, and anything they attempt to show you to the
    contrary is a trick. This topic has been done to death on here and
    other groups, and in the electronics magazines.

    Dave.
     
  3. kreed

    kreed Guest


    Its a load of crap.

    If you really really must have quality OFC leads, gold plated
    connectors for your system, then consider the WES range

    page 10.
    http://www.wagner.net.au/catalogue/08_Prepared-Leads.pdf

    Trade price for 3 rca to 3 rca about $10-24 depending on length (1.5m
    to 15m available)


    I have used these in the past, more for quality and reliability
    reasons, and can recommend them.
     
  4. I agree with David. Most of the 'benefits" are purely hype.
    A typical ploy used by some retailers to "demonstrate" the difference is to
    hook up a STB or DVD player via a composite video lead (worst possible
    connection method) and also via the HDMI lead (best possible connection).
    They switch between the two claiming the bad picture is a standard HDMI lead
    and the better picture is via their "premium" HDMI lead (read overpriced
    lead). The average Joe doesn't realise he's been had but does notice the
    obvious difference in picture quality.
    When choosing any AV leads, check for obvious signs of reasonable quality
    assembly and apparent robustness. Flimsy plastic connectors and unusually
    thin cables are signs of cheap components which aren't like to perform well
    or last the distance.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
  5. atec77

    atec77 Guest

    I suggest you investigate some of the less expensive cables , I use good
    product obtained wholesale and see simialr quality being sold for
    considerably less than was offered to you , of the $150.00 1/3 goes to
    the sales person some to the store and maybe $30.00 on the cable though
    I would steer clear of $10.00 specials .
     
  6. Mr.T

    Mr.T Guest

    No, most simply make no mention of any cheaper HDMI leads, they simply prove
    you need one, then sell you a cheap one at an expensive price, thereby
    making extra profit on the sale.
    Shops/salesmen have been using similar tactics on all consumer goods for
    centuries.
    The motor industry being one of the worst offenders, new houses even worse
    in most cases.
    Smart shoppers simply shop for the best price Vs performance ratio on ALL
    items, taking any proven service/support/backup into consideration.

    MrT.
     
  7. Mr.T

    Mr.T Guest

    In fact if the $10 specials don't work adequately, you have only wasted $10!
    Like everything else there is some real crap at the bottom end of the price
    scale, and some quite adequate. The mechanical differences are quite obvious
    in most cases.

    MrT.
     
  8. Mr.T

    Mr.T Guest

    Exactly, and that is their point. 3 component cables do perform better and
    cost more than 1 composite cable, even for similar cable quality.
    They simply neglect to say how much or little improvement is to be had over
    using 3 cheap component cables Vs 3 expensive ones.
    Uninformed customers are a salesman's dream after all.

    MrT.
     
  9. atec77

    atec77 Guest

    Experience tells me if I cant buy the parts in china for the asking rice
    of the cable then the cable stands a good chance of being mechanically
    didgy , for av to rca for instance a pretty good cable can be had for
    under $20.00 retail .
     
  10. Mr.T

    Mr.T Guest

    Maybe, but I've never seen any cables THAT cheap.
    I've bought $5 ones that are perfectly good though, and seen plenty of $2
    ones that I wouldn't bother with.
    Agreed, a lot "under" in many cases.

    MrT.
     
  11. Franc Zabkar

    Franc Zabkar Guest

    Dick Smith are selling HDMI male-to-male 1.5m cables for AU$35
    (CA1779) and $50 (C1779).

    But for AU$369 (incl GST) you can upgrade to a 2m Monster cable
    (CA0902). It seems like a rip-off, but the 24 carat gold contacts
    allow for "increased power handling ... to deliver the full dynamic
    range of explosions and crashes found in today's movies" (the ones and
    zeroes require much more current at subwoofer frequencies). And the
    "heavy duty outer Duraflex protective jacket resists temperature
    extremes" such as those encountered in a typical Australian lounge
    room. And for the fashion aficionado, the cable features a "stylish,
    futuristic connector design inspired by Star Wars epics".

    - Franc Zabkar
     
  12. atec77

    atec77 Guest

    Hopefully better than the crap foxtel installes .
     
  13. atec77

    atec77 Guest

    No need to take the piss . ok ?
     
  14. Mr.T

    Mr.T Guest

    Or AU$25 for a 5 metre one from MSY, and other computer shops.
    I assume you forgot the smiley.

    MrT.
     
  15. Blutt

    Blutt Guest

    Now you have done it!
    Your old mate "Lynx" will be on here soon extolling the virtues of
    overpriced
    cables and telling everyone how good they are and how he can see and hear
    the difference and how his pets are MUCH less affected by stray EMF's since
    he has spent so many $$$$ on his cables....
     
  16. **Yep. You need to know one simple fact:

    There is bugger-all profit margin in hardware anymore. A $5,000.00 plasma
    might make the retailer 8%. If he is real lucky. OTOH, a set of $150.00
    cables will return more than 100% profit for the dealer. Needless to say,
    dealers like to make a Dollar, so they can feed their kids. That is not to
    say that there are some crap cables out there. There are. Cheap ones and
    expensive ones. I was called out to a job awhile ago and I tracked the
    fault/s to dodgy RCA cables. I patiently explained to the client that I
    needed to replace ALL his cables, in what was a very large install. The
    cables he had were known to me and I knew them to be 'mutton dressed as
    lamb'. Really bad quality connectors and crap wires, but with nice gold
    plating and thick PVC sheaths. He paid $160.00 per cable (about 3 grand's
    worth of crap cables). I pay $4.00 for the same cables. Anyway, I upgraded
    him to $20.00 cables (on which I made a respectable 50% mark-up) and haven't
    heard a peep from him. I wouldn't be in the shoes of the original installer
    for any money though. The client was so badly gouged by the arsehole, I had
    to tell him. He is a litigator and very pissed off.

    Trouble for you is:

    You can't know what is good and what is bad. You need to destroy a cable and
    know what you're looking for, before you can know. The Dick Smith Harmony
    stuff is pretty good and pretty good value for money. Start there. The WES
    products mentioned by others are also good. HOWEVER, some of the WES stuff
    is shockingly bad.
     
  17. Poxy

    Poxy Guest

    Is that spelt "Soundlink"?
     
  18. Franc Zabkar

    Franc Zabkar Guest

    I'm glad you mentioned this. I'm seeing a very high proportion of bad
    3xRCA leads, Daichi brand, WES code VC50 or VC60. They typically break
    at the video connector.

    - Franc Zabkar
     
  19. **Therein lies a big problem. The average consumer can never know what is
    good. Just suggesting "WES cables" is not enough. WES product range is
    large. Some of their stuff is crap and some is good. My suggestion to stick
    to the easily available DSE Harmony range remains. Every cable I've examined
    in the Harmony range is satisfactory.
     
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