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Petition to bring the Electric Car back to the Retail Market.

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David Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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-> Sign this petition to bring the electric car, which they are keeping
-> from us, back to the retail market.

Who are "they", and what makes you think they will be influenced by a
petition?

dow
 
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Trygve Lillefosse

Jan 1, 1970
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Well what was the name of the Chevy / GM electric car from the 90's?
They can make them, but the main problems lie in battery capacity and
charging rate. The last things I remember reading about the state of
both seemed to say that the range per charge is about 200 to 250 miles
and it took 6 to 8 HOURS to charge. Clearly 200 miles is more than MOST
people drive in one day, but for some people who need more range per day
the range per charge and or the charge rate would need to be improved.

After what I know the electric cars that were offered like EV1, Rav4,
that pickup thing etc. was exelent cars. For MOST people the range of
200-250 miles is more than adequate.

Quick charge stations would have emerged if the market was there.

The main problem was the price. The cars was heavily subsidized.

At the moment, you can get a Smart car (two seater) for about USD
35.000 this is with a realy crappy dollar rate offcource, but still...

In europe they are starting to get interesting, but we pay twice the
price for gasoline, and in many countries, you have to pay a pretty
hefty fee when you buy a car.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Anthony said:
The GM EV1. The range was around 80 to 100 miles on the nickel-metal
hydride batteries. As I understand it, GM ownes the rights to those
batteries and refuses to either make them or allow anyone else to make
them for cars. This has arguably set back the electric car industry
many years.

Rubbish.

There are lots of manufacturers of NiMH batteries.

Graham
 
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Trygve Lillefosse

Jan 1, 1970
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Screw GM a friend of my brothers just got a job here:

http://www.teslamotors.com

says 200 mile range, 0 to 60 in 4 seconds

I guess they'll sell for 100k a pop, but still.. sound like a blast to
drive:

http://www.slate.com/id/2154425/

Sounds like a bargain, at least in Norway ehere it will be tax-free. A
similar car with gasoline would be 300K

But then again, when will it be sold?

The ENV bike was launched over two years ago, but still noboedy can
buy it.
 
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Trygve Lillefosse

Jan 1, 1970
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Just pretending I was going to buy one I went for
Two-tone premium interior, $1,800
Seven-speaker premium sound system tuned for Tesla Roadster cockpit,
$800
Tesla Motors custom floor mats, $125
Mobile charging system, $500
in british racing green for total: $102,175
Heck the way the dollar is that is quite a good price for folk in Europe
no? I guess shipping would be expensive
Get one man!

In Norway it would come out at the same price as a Mercedes E220-
station wagon. (without extras).

I would have ordered one if I could afford it and were 100% sure that
they would actualy deliver without a lot of delays.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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CM said:
Well, that would depend on how much you plan to drive. The Tesla Roadster
averages about 240 watthours per mile, top speed of 130 mph, and has a
range of over 200 miles. The RAV4EV averages about 300 watthours per mile,
but it is a bigger SUV EV, and they are a bit hard to come by. More frugal
is the Zap Xebra, which uses about 170 watthours per mile, but has a top
speed of only 35 mph and a range of only 40 miles. If you're offgrid
because you live way out in the wilderness, that range might be
insufficient!

Let's say he needs to travel 100 miles and a toy car isn't suitable. He'll need
30kWh.

You can get ~ 120W from a 1 metre square solar panel at typical mid-day
insolation.. How many hours you get daily is a huge variable and very much lower
in winter but let's allow say 4 hours, giving 480Wh per square metre. So, for a
daily charge you'd only need 60 square metres ( 600 sq ft) of panels !

Plus you couldn't use the car when it's sunny becasue it'll have to be plugged
in for recharging then.

Graham
 
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