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Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by Sitre Magana, Dec 24, 2006.

  1. Sitre Magana

    Sitre Magana Guest

    Why is it that when people's televisions **** up they always assume
    it's the tube?
     

  2. The same reason that people like you use Google Groups. They don't
    know any better.


    --
    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
  3. lsmartino

    lsmartino Guest

    Michael A. Terrell ha escrito:
    <SNIP>

    Believe it or not, not all the ISP´s outside USA supply direct access
    to newsgroups, because they consider that setting up a newsgroup
    service is a waste of time and money, so the only way for those persons
    which don´t have a newsgroup server readily available is to access the
    USENET via Google Groups. I don´t see nor I understand what´s the
    problem with some USENET users who are always bashing out Google
    Newsgroups. Internet is constantly evolving, and USENET isn´t the
    exception. It´s up to you to accept it.
     
  4. Believe it or not, not all the ISP´s outside USA supply direct access
    to newsgroups, because they consider that setting up a newsgroup
    service is a waste of time and money, so the only way for those persons
    which don´t have a newsgroup server readily available is to access the
    USENET via Google Groups. I don´t see nor I understand what´s the
    problem with some USENET users who are always bashing out Google
    Newsgroups. Internet is constantly evolving, and USENET isn´t the
    exception. It´s up to you to accept it.

    Well, it is a frequency problem ... MANY inane and inappropriate posts
    arrive via Google Newsgroups.

    If 8 out of 10 white dogs that you have encountered have bitten your ankle,
    how would you feel about white dogs?
     
  5. : Believe it or not, not all the ISP´s outside USA supply direct access
    to newsgroups, because they consider that setting up a newsgroup
    service is a waste of time and money, so the only way for those persons
    which don´t have a newsgroup server readily available is to access the
    USENET via Google Groups. I don´t see nor I understand what´s the
    problem with some USENET users who are always bashing out Google
    Newsgroups. Internet is constantly evolving, and USENET isn´t the
    exception. It´s up to you to accept it.

    How do they get binary groups?
     

  6. No, no more than I have to accept any other bad things I encounter.
    There are dozens, maybe hundreds of free Usenet servers available,
    worldwide. In fact there are some not available to the US. Most
    messages posted from Google are rude, ignorant or just a complete waste
    of time. Most of the spam on newsgroups that I see is posted through
    Google because the morons don't realize their IP address is hidden in
    the headers. I had one idiot complaining that I was exposing his email
    address when I replied, and he wouldn't believe that it is the norm,
    outside of Google. I have had some moron stalking me, via Google and
    free email accounts for several years. He has made threatening phone
    calls as well.

    I am brushing up on my C++ programming to see if I can fix some bugs
    in a proxy news filter program to download, and examine all the
    newsgroups I read, then delete anything from certain IP address blocks.
    it will become a local news server for my needs, available to any
    computer on my network.

    --
    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
  7. lsmartino

    lsmartino Guest

    Homer J Simpson ha escrito:

    No access to binary groups. As simple as that :-(
     
  8. lsmartino

    lsmartino Guest

    Charles Schuler ha escrito:
    OK, I see your point. But also, you can get robbed as soon as you hit
    the street, and because of that you won´t lock yourself inside your
    home ;-) The point here is not if Google Groups is a good idea or not,
    but an educational one. If someone doesn´t make an appropiate use of
    them, it´s a cultural one.
     
  9. Charles Schuler ha escrito:
    OK, I see your point. But also, you can get robbed as soon as you hit
    the street, and because of that you won´t lock yourself inside your
    home ;-) The point here is not if Google Groups is a good idea or not,
    but an educational one.

    Sorry, but that lost me. Are you implying that readers of newsgroups need
    to be better informed and should quit bitching about annoyances?
    them, it´s a cultural one.

    Again, I am clueless as to what your point is. No acrimony here, by the
    way. You made a point about access for others via Google and I simply tried
    to point out the source of irriation for many of us. I am open to other
    cultures since I fully realize that mine is shaky.

    No big deal ... we all have deal with life or cash out!
     
  10. lsmartino

    lsmartino Guest

    Michael A. Terrell ha escrito:


    Ok, I would like to know more about these servers. I have tested some
    of them in the past but I often found them too slow to be useful.
    Sometimes they didn´t have this newsgroup listed, for instance.

    I used to visit this website http://home.snafu.de/hweede/pulin.htm to
    get some free servers, and usually the outcome was: A) I could read
    everything but I couldn´t not make a post because my IP was rejected
    by the server, or B) The server was too slow that sometimes it lasted a
    full week without updating, or the discussion threads loaded
    incomplete.

    Just remember that not all users are like that. You had bad luck and
    you are right to be complaining, but I think human stupidity isn´t a
    exclusive characteristic of any access mean to internet, instead it´s
    comes with the user. Moderated discussion forums are usually frequented
    by morons too, but that doesn´t make these forums useless.
    Good luck with the programming!
     
  11. lsmartino

    lsmartino Guest

    Charles Schuler ha escrito:

    I see that what I wrote wasn´t quite clearly understandable. As you
    probably noted by now English is not my native language. The point I
    tried to make was this: Google Groups is just a means of access to
    USENET. The use (or abuse) of it doesn´t make it necessarily good or
    bad in itself, at least I believe that. Of course it should be
    improved, and I think that this has the potential to be a great way to
    make USENET more accesible.

    Also I just wanted to point that some posters like myself doesn´t have
    another way to access USENET if not through Google Groups, and that
    doesn´t make us morons, idiots or retarded. It´s simply a matter of
    availability, and for those of us who consider USENET groups useful but
    we don´t have a good nntp server available, Google Groups is the best
    we have at hand.
     
  12. : Also I just wanted to point that some posters like myself doesn´t have
    another way to access USENET if not through Google Groups, and that
    doesn´t make us morons, idiots or retarded. It´s simply a matter of
    availability, and for those of us who consider USENET groups useful but
    we don´t have a good nntp server available, Google Groups is the best
    we have at hand.

    It's certainly better than AOL.
     
  13. : Ok, I would like to know more about these servers. I have tested some
    of them in the past but I often found them too slow to be useful.
    Sometimes they didn´t have this newsgroup listed, for instance.

    Try a free read only server and use Google to post or post via email.
     
  14. Lee

    Lee Guest

    There are lots of NNTP services out there and very reasonably priced.
    In fact, some are even free as in the case of the one I use.

    I regularly find people who post via Google Groups and don't even know
    that they can get USENET through their ISP.

    Regards
    Lee in Toronto
     
  15. lsmartino

    lsmartino Guest

    I am 1000000 % sure that there is no nntp server available through my
    ISP. There are just two ISP´s in my country which have nntp servers
    available to their customers, and these ISP´s aren´t broadband. I
    won´t switch back from broadband to dialup because of that, nor I see
    why I would want to pay for nntp access if I can get what I want using
    Google Groups.
     



  16. --
    Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
    prove it.
    Member of DAV #85.

    Michael A. Terrell
    Central Florida
     
  17. Luis Martino

    Luis Martino Guest

    Thanks for the info, you win :) I went there and found this free server:
    nntp.aioe.org

    It appears to be working fine. I´m typing this using a news reader called
    "Xnews" which I just downloaded... if anyone happens to know about a better
    one, i´m all ears.
     
  18. Lee

    Lee Guest

    Then why don't you set up an account (free) with www.motzarella.org?
    You don't have to change ISP's for this.
    Regards
    Lee
     
  19. Luis Martino

    Luis Martino Guest

    @registered.motzarella.org:

    Well, actually i´m trying a different approach. You can see an earlier post
    in this thread by Michael Terrel where it send me to a different group
    named I went there and found a working free nntp
    server. I downloaded a copy of Xnews (a free newsgroup reader) and now I´m
    all set.

    In any case, thanks for your suggestion.
     
  20. Hi!
    Hmm...they seem content to hide from me. I am fortunate enough that my ISP
    still *does* provide a real news server to its subscribers. I hear that
    plenty do not, and of those that do, many do not offer access to binary
    groups. (Mine does, at least to the one I visit, but posts are extremely
    short lived.)
    Maybe that is why. Hmmm, again.

    However, sometimes, and possibly due to the limitations above with regard to
    finding other freely accessible news servers, Google Groups is my only
    option when I'm away from home.

    Now, I understand that some people might not like my posts or what I have to
    say, which is OK. They certainly have the authority to make that decision.
    But I really disagree with those who block everything coming from Google
    Groups, because they may never see a question I asked or an opportunity to
    help. It's their loss, I guess.

    For that one reason, and because a lot of people are having to turn to
    Google Groups, I would urge you to *not* block posters from there. Setting
    up some filtering logic in your software to get most of the bozos and
    garbage would be more complicated, but it might be time well spent. :)

    Of course, that's just my opinion on the matter.

    William
     
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