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Christian HOSTELET

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello,

As anyone of you used the service of PCBCart at http://www.pcbcart.com ?

Prices are damned good but don't know about quality and service.
 
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Fred Bartoli

Jan 1, 1970
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Rene Tschaggelar said:
From Europe, also have a look at
http://www.eurocircuits.com
they are based in belgium and produce in hungary.
The prices are similar.
Of them, the service is excellent.

Don't know for pcbcart, but from eurocircuit :

"Sorry but the browser you're using is not supported. Try again using
IE...blah..."

Sorry Eurocircuits, but a potential customer lost.
 
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SioL

Jan 1, 1970
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Rene Tschaggelar said:
From Europe, also have a look at
http://www.eurocircuits.com
they are based in belgium and produce in hungary.
The prices are similar.
Of them, the service is excellent.


The website itself sucks big time. I hope they do Au plating
for PCI edge connectors.
 
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Frank Bemelman

Jan 1, 1970
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"Fred Bartoli"
Don't know for pcbcart, but from eurocircuit :

"Sorry but the browser you're using is not supported. Try again using
IE...blah..."

Sorry Eurocircuits, but a potential customer lost.

Sorry for you too Fred, a potential large amount of
profit lost. Install a windows PC just for acces to
eurocircuits, the PC will pay for itself in no-time.

I've been using them for 6 years now. Great for 2/4
layer boards. Cheap. Easy to repeat an order. Large
repeat orders (>=250) are *dirt* cheap. Excellent
quality. Free shape routing, no restrictions on tools,
holes or other silly costs.

Highly recommended.
 
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Rene Tschaggelar

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred said:
Don't know for pcbcart, but from eurocircuit :

"Sorry but the browser you're using is not supported. Try again using
IE...blah..."

Part of the functionality is available for firefox.
But yes, full support is wished.

Rene
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SioL

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank Bemelman said:
I've been using them for 6 years now. Great for 2/4
layer boards. Cheap. Easy to repeat an order. Large
repeat orders (>=250) are *dirt* cheap. Excellent
quality. Free shape routing, no restrictions on tools,
holes or other silly costs.

Highly recommended.

I like the sound of that. Have you ever ordered Au plating?

I've dropped them an e-mail, but in these days of spam filters
I may have to resort to fax/tel, we'll see tomorrow.
 
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SioL

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank Bemelman said:
I've been using them for 6 years now. Great for 2/4
layer boards. Cheap. Easy to repeat an order. Large
repeat orders (>=250) are *dirt* cheap. Excellent
quality. Free shape routing, no restrictions on tools,
holes or other silly costs.

Highly recommended.

I like the sound of that. Have you ever ordered Au plating?

I've dropped them an e-mail, but in these days of spam filters
I may have to resort to fax/tel, we'll see tomorrow.
 
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Mike Monett

Jan 1, 1970
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"Fred Bartoli"
Don't know for pcbcart, but from eurocircuit :

"Sorry but the browser you're using is not supported. Try again using
IE...blah..."

Sorry Eurocircuits, but a potential customer lost.


Opera 8.52 and Firefox 1.5.0.1 work fine on Win98SE.

Mike
 
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Jim Brain

Jan 1, 1970
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Christian said:
Hello,

As anyone of you used the service of PCBCart at http://www.pcbcart.com ?

Prices are damned good but don't know about quality and service.
It's sometimes hard to compare, but it looked competitive to
www.custompcb.com, which I use. I don't know if ENIG or Immersion
Silver Plate is better, but I figure both are better than HASL.

If you find them competitive, I can state I've been pleased with their
quality and service. I've not seen a ton of boards in my day, but the
prototypes I got from customPCB looked better than many production
boards I've received via other manufacturers. The plated board is
completely flat (no raises from the HASL process), and the soldermask
finish was like polished glass.

http://www.jbrain.com/vicug/gallery/uIEC/IMG_1861_001

Does not do it justice, but it's the best I've got to put here.

A couple things I like about them:

o They'll take EAGLE pcb files directly, no need to spit out gerbers.
o You can panelize for great prices (the board above I got 12 of them
and 24 of a half size board on 2 panels for $204.00)
o Quick. 5 days from order to sitting on doorstep, 7 if silkscreen,
o Nice refund policy. You see issues with production, send the batch
back and they'll redo or refund.
o They've rather made a firm statement about silver plate. I can see
the difference, and I applaud the stance.

I've placed a half dozen prototype orders, quality is consistent.

Jim
 
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Frank Bemelman

Jan 1, 1970
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SioL said:
I like the sound of that. Have you ever ordered Au plating?

I've dropped them an e-mail, but in these days of spam filters
I may have to resort to fax/tel, we'll see tomorrow.

Never ordered gold plating. Orders entered through their
website don't have every possible option to choose from.
But they can make everything, I'm certain. I suppose you
have to ask for a quotation by phone or email, discuss
details with a sales person. Their automated order processing
only deals with 1/2/4 layers with top/bottom silkscreen, testing,
desired delivery time etc.
 
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Rene Tschaggelar

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank Bemelman wrote:

Never ordered gold plating. Orders entered through their
website don't have every possible option to choose from.
But they can make everything, I'm certain. I suppose you
have to ask for a quotation by phone or email, discuss
details with a sales person. Their automated order processing
only deals with 1/2/4 layers with top/bottom silkscreen, testing,
desired delivery time etc.

Well, they have a custom pcb request form
that allows for gold.

Rene
 
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SioL

Jan 1, 1970
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Rene Tschaggelar said:
Frank Bemelman wrote:



Well, they have a custom pcb request form
that allows for gold.

Rene

Splendid.
 
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SioL

Jan 1, 1970
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Rene Tschaggelar said:
Frank Bemelman wrote:

Well, they have a custom pcb request form
that allows for gold.

Rene

This might be usefull for others as well;
They charge about 0.002 Euro/mm2/micron Au

The question now would be what is the standard plating thickness for
the Au PCI edge connector.
 
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Frank Bemelman

Jan 1, 1970
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SioL said:
This might be usefull for others as well;
They charge about 0.002 Euro/mm2/micron Au

The question now would be what is the standard plating thickness for
the Au PCI edge connector.

The next question would be "how many insertion cycles" do you need ;)
I believe ~1um is standard and probably what you get no matter what
you order ;) But why don't you ask Eurocircuits?
 
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SioL

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank Bemelman said:
The next question would be "how many insertion cycles" do you need ;)
I believe ~1um is standard and probably what you get no matter what
you order ;) But why don't you ask Eurocircuits?

Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)

From the pci spec (thanks Keith) it seems like 1 micron should cover it.
http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/conventional/ECN_PCI_Connector_Finish.pdf

I sent them my board in p-cad and am now waiting for a quote,
I'll probably have to connect all PCI pins together for their electro-plating process to
work. So far it sounds like gold might add some 25-35% to the total cost of the board.
We'll see.
 
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Keith Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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From the pci spec (thanks Keith) it seems like 1 micron should cover it.
http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/conventional/ECN_PCI_Connector_Finish.pdf

I downloaded the spec to understand this better. The spec doesn't
really address the card edge tabs (at least it's hidden if it
does), rather the connector itself. An alternate finish in the 2.3
spec is a gold flash over 1u palladium or palladium-nickel. This
might be cheaper for the tabs too.

BTW, to answer the insertion cycles question, the spec calls for
100 mating cycles "without physical damage".
I sent them my board in p-cad and am now waiting for a quote,
I'll probably have to connect all PCI pins together for their electro-plating process to
work. So far it sounds like gold might add some 25-35% to the total cost of the board.
We'll see.

Wow! I did a PCI card (can't remember the PCI tabs specifically)
with some hard gold for a BGA connector and it didn't add anything
like that to the cost. Maybe the base cost was so much higher that
I really didn't care what the gold added.
 
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Frank Bemelman

Jan 1, 1970
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SioL said:
From the pci spec (thanks Keith) it seems like 1 micron should cover it.
http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/conventional/ECN_PCI_Connector_Finish.pdf

I sent them my board in p-cad and am now waiting for a quote,
I'll probably have to connect all PCI pins together for their electro-plating process to
work. So far it sounds like gold might add some 25-35% to the total cost of the board.
We'll see.

They will probably do that (connecting pci pins) for you, if needed.
They always check a design against their own rules, and email a snapshot
indicating a possible problem, if they find weird stuff. I'm sure you
will get what you expect, without any hassles.
 
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