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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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No, IDIOT! They are NOT batteries, they ARE CELLS!

A singular device I a CELL. Only retards in the 60s and 70s started
this calling them alL a "battery" when they are (were) NOT such.

Origins aside (and I have some sympathy for the precriptivist
argument), it's considered acceptable these days* to call a cell a
battery.. but it's never acceptable to call a multi-cell battery a
"cell".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/battery?s=t

He or she said it was _not_ a cell. That is saying that it consists of
more than one cell. So, certainly not a lithium CR2032 'battery',
which is a single button cell.

* the rot seems to have set in earlier than the 60s and 70s-- my 1949
edition of the "Standard Handbook for Electrical Engineers" says,
somewhat snarkily, "In accordance with common usage the term is also
applied to a single cell". Common usage usually wins out in the long
run-- there are more commoners than nobility, after all.
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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, it's considered acceptable these days* to call a cell a
battery.

That is what I said. It started in the 60s and 70s so any of you dopes
who were born or attempted to grow up since then have been using the
errant but accepted stupidity.

I KNOW the history.

It is a fucking CELL.
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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* the rot seems to have set in earlier than the 60s and 70s-- my 1949
edition of the "Standard Handbook for Electrical Engineers" says,
somewhat snarkily, "In accordance with common usage the term is also
applied to a single cell". Common usage usually wins out in the long
run-- there are more commoners than nobility, after all.

Yes. Handheld, tube operated, and therefore HV (as it were) requiring
military radio sets were fun little items. The tubes were like my baby
finger in size. Needed a 67.5 Volt battery. That WAS more than one
Cell.
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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but it's never acceptable to call a multi-cell battery a
"cell".

ONLY if you use an array of those, all alike, to produce another
"battery". In such a case, each 'battery' could be called a cell of the
whole, finished device.

Like a box full of 9 Volt cells wired in an array. Then one could
rightly say "Each of those is a cell in my new battery."
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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Ha-ha.

The stupid thing is... I had dead motherboards with exactly these batteries
! ;) :)

Could have saved those 10 bucks ! LOL ;) =D

10 bucks is way too much to pay. If you need one in hurry buy it at the supermarket.
P.S. 1: Serves me right for listening to 15 year old kids ! LOL.

P.S. 2: I removed the batteries from the dead motherboards, maybe they ll
come in use some day ! ;) =D

theyre good for testing LEDs
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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A recent buy from China got me a card of 5 Sony, made in Japan, for $0.99,
delivered!
Good "use by date" as well.

Made in Japan shipped from China? I have a bridge you may be interested in.
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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Clearly stamped "Japan" on the battery. Marked "Matsushita Electric
Industrial Co, Ltd
Osaka 570 , Japan" on the card. EXP DATE 12-2017

Sony on the wrapper and Panasonic on the case ?

Sounds like a forgery.
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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Well, unless you misspoke, if the batteries are marked "Sony" on the
card, and stamped "Matsushita" individually, they are as fake as they
come. As of a few years ago, Matsushita is now called Panasonic
worldwide, a completely different company from ('to') Sony. The
Matsushita name has been retired.

Perhaps some Chinaman got the old tooling cheap on E-bay?
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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ONLY if you use an array of those, all alike, to produce another
"battery". In such a case, each 'battery' could be called a cell of the
whole, finished device.

Like a box full of 9 Volt cells wired in an array. Then one could
rightly say "Each of those is a cell in my new battery."

you could, but you'd be wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrochemical_cell
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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What a coincidence! So is dimbulb.

Whereas instead of simply being called one, you actually are one.

Make sure to put those shitty fingers into that hole-y mouth, so you
can fester faster, fucker!

Bwuahahahaahahahahahaahahaha!
 
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GMAN

Jan 1, 1970
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They are not cells, they are batteries.

I'm a retired EE from NBS (now NIST).
They pass the tests that I care to apply. Voltage under load, physical
inspection.
I'll post back in >5 years to test my naiveté.

Chris

These batteries are also known, even in the larger sizes like the CR2032's as
button cells.
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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What makes you think Panasonic didn't destroy their old tooling? WTF
would it end up on ebay?

Nobody dumped any tooling anyway*. They're still making the batteries.
Changing markings on a production line costs almost nothing and can be
done in minutes.

BTW, the ones I've gotten in production quantity through the
legitimate distribution chain were made in Panasonic's factory in
Indonesia, not in Japan. Here's why:-

Min wage per month (US$)
Indonesia $85
China (Shenzhen/GZ) $208/202
Japan $937
US $1257
Canada $1392

Despite Indonesia being a rather corrupt country with political
instability and creaky infrastructure, it's really, really cheap to
produce a simple product like a battery or button cell that has only a
few component parts (metal and chemicals and packaging).

* I toured a mothballed alkaline battery factory not that long ago- in
the Toronto area (mostly AA cells). Lots of machinery on the lines
(packaging and assembly). It's not much more sophisticated than
packaging toothpaste- cram the chemicals into the housing, seal it up,
test and package it. At ~$10 for 48 no-name batteries these days, I
don't think they had the scale to compete- it was only about 8000 or
10,000 ft^2 IIRC.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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David

Jan 1, 1970
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Clearly stamped "Japan" on the battery. Marked "Matsushita Electric
Industrial Co, Ltd Osaka 570 , Japan" on the card. EXP DATE 12-2017

Chris

Matsushita = Panasonic, not Sony. Sounds like a fake.
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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A 9 volt BATTERY consists of six 1.5V CELLS.


I KNOW THAT, you fucking retard!

NOW, IDIOT! Go back and read the post again.

IF I used an ARRAY of 9 volts batteries where each of them then become
a singular "cell" of my new battery array, they would be.

You clueless ****. Go look up the word moniker, dipshit.
 
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David

Jan 1, 1970
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I KNOW THAT, you fucking retard!

NOW, IDIOT! Go back and read the post again.

IF I used an ARRAY of 9 volts batteries where each of them then become
a singular "cell" of my new battery array, they would be.

You clueless ****. Go look up the word moniker, dipshit.


Maybe YOU should reread your own post...
">> Like a box full of 9 Volt CELLS wired in an array. "

Have a nice day.
 
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