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  1. john2k

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    In the following drawing example I have a CANBUS that is terminated on both ends with a 120ohm resistor giving the final ohm reading of 60ohms across the two lines. I want to connect the instrument cluster that also has a 120ohm resistor inside it. This will essentially mean instead of there being two 120ohm resistors in parallel, technically there will now be 3 120 ohm resistors. What ohm value will that give across the two lines? I need the ohm reading across the two lines to remain at 60 ohms. Any ideas how I can do this?

    Thanks.

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  2. Tha fios agaibh

    Tha fios agaibh

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    3 ,180Ω resistors parallel will give you 60Ω
     
  3. Tha fios agaibh

    Tha fios agaibh

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    If you wanted to leave the internal 120Ω inside the cluster, you could change just the 2 resistors to 237Ω to achieve the desired 60Ω resistance.
     
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  4. john2k

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    Sorry i forgot to mention I dont have the ability to change any of the 3 resistors, i can only add extra resistors between the canbus and the instrument cluster
     
  5. Tha fios agaibh

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    If you put 3, 120Ω in parallel it equals 40Ω.
    Paralleling more resistors will only make it even lower.
     
  6. john2k

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    Could I not add some in series on either the red or the black wire to increase the resistance?
     
  7. Tha fios agaibh

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    I'm not familiar with canbus but I believe it would degrade the data signal strength.

    The purpose of a termination resistors are to reduce ac noise and interference imposed on the network.
     
  8. davenn

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    If you know the resistor is there, on the can bus. remove the one closest to where you will terminate the instrument cluster so that there is only 1
    resistor at that end.
    With the work I do on can bus gear, I find it hard to believe you cannot get at or see the resistors
     
  9. Martaine2005

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    I’m still doing the math. 1/120x3.
    I can however count my empty cans!...

    Martin
     
  10. Martaine2005

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    I should live in AUZ... Hello Sheila..
     
  11. Bluejets

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    Stubbies Please.....ruddy cans.....only for bogans !!
     
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  12. Kiwi

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    The theory is that there should be a 120Ω resistor at each end of the CAN bus(backbone) giving a total resistance of 60Ω, but I have seen systems working with three resistors.
    Suggest you just hook it up and see if it works.

    Manufacturers that insist in putting resistors in their units are a real pain in the butt?
     
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