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  1. howdy..

    Ok...I only got a few of these out there so I'd like some help pulease!
    Napco 816 (about 3 years old)

    Lady says keypad is displaying:
    Green Status Light
    "Bypassed Int"
    Trouble AC On
    Comm FL, then Flashes E03-00

    Telco guy says the panel return to sni is not feeding normal voltage.
    6 MONTHS ago she had an alarm and her CS didn't get the signal. The panel SHOULD be testing everyday (I programmed it originally)...

    Is this an old Comm Fail message that still displaying (im thinking not).

    Why is it showing Bypassed Interior, she says she has to bypass something to arm it now for MONTHS.

    Help please!...this is a client I can get back.

    Input appreciated ...THANKS.

    Crash.
     
  2. ok I see that the Comm FL & E03-00 is the same error.
    So we probably do have a comm fail problem (?).

    Napco's pdf files really suck so I can't read the manual online.

    Still dunno why she's bypassing or what - unless you have to use the Bypass button to arm it Home/Stay?

    Still would like some input please.

    Thanks


    howdy..

    Ok...I only got a few of these out there so I'd like some help pulease!
    Napco 816 (about 3 years old)

    Lady says keypad is displaying:
    Green Status Light
    "Bypassed Int"
    Trouble AC On
    Comm FL, then Flashes E03-00

    Telco guy says the panel return to sni is not feeding normal voltage.
    6 MONTHS ago she had an alarm and her CS didn't get the signal. The panel SHOULD be testing everyday (I programmed it originally)...

    Is this an old Comm Fail message that still displaying (im thinking not).

    Why is it showing Bypassed Interior, she says she has to bypass something to arm it now for MONTHS.

    Help please!...this is a client I can get back.

    Input appreciated ...THANKS.

    Crash.
     
  3. ok I see that the Comm FL & E03-00 is the same error.

    This error will display if the system tries unsuccessfully to report to the
    central station. It will also display if you screw up the CS programming --
    missing data is a common culprit here. Check your comms programming and
    make sure you've got line seizure.

    Best of luck.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  4. thats what I thought.

    It had been working up till about June (so it can't be a programming error). It had line seizure when we programmed it 2.5 years ago...but anything coulda happened with that - although dunno why that would effect comm. - if the street side were down she'd have no phone same for the house side.

    I can't believe the CS had been ignoring the missing daily test signals.

    I guess I'll have to lug the 60 page programming "sheet" with me today.

    thanks!
     
  5. panel's acting totally goofla.

    sends a 11 instead of 31, CS recieves it yet it keeps popping up Comm FL, then it automatically keeps bypassing the PIR no matter how we arm it.

    aint gonna mess with it anymore, gonna just pull it.
     
  6. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest

    Subject: Re: P816 Question h e l p
    Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
    It's better not to earth ground alarm panels.


    Once again, SFB is reading out of the manual rather than speaking of real-world
    experience.
     
  7. I think so too. The co. that installed it did not run a ground, although the house does have unified ground.

    I was gonna replace it with something else this morning, then she called and wants to wait to she gets back from vacation. I think she wants to replace just the board... have I ever mentioned how I hate programming Napcos (?). Dang reading the 60 page programming manual yesterday gave me a migraine. I rather pop in a Vista 15P and 3 keypads instead.

    ===
    G. Morgan: I always ground panels. However, I have always noticed (over 20 years) that Napco installers never ground the box. A mystery.

    Yes, there are two schools of thought on grounding boxes, same as there is for stranded wire, solid wire.
     
  8. Sounds like you had a lightning hit, Crash. Is there a bonded (unified)
    ground for all incoming services on the house? If not, fix that too while
    replacing the panel. It may save you another visit.

    --
    Regards,

    Robert L Bass

    ===========================>
    Bass Burglar Alarms
    http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
    http://www.Bass-Home.com
    ===========================>


    panel's acting totally goofla.

    sends a 11 instead of 31, CS recieves it yet it keeps popping up Comm FL,
    then it automatically keeps bypassing the PIR no matter how we arm it.

    aint gonna mess with it anymore, gonna just pull it.
     
  9. Guest

    ive seen that ground thing, noone does that here, is it worth it, or
    does it depend on where you live? We had never had any panels hit from
    lightining in the 6 years I was doing alarms ..and noone I know has
    either. Our biggest problem down here is our own electric company. We
    have low voltage hits alot, only thing to protect that is a line
    conditioner or voltage regulator ..thats all I use for my PC, but for
    $100 plus a $300 control (local pricing), its not worth it ..

    Rory
     
  10. we'll likely start a whole thread of whether to ground panels or not. I do ground them and in areas that seem to be more prone to close lightning strikes i also run the phone line through a surpressor (ditek makes one for alarm panels).

    I also have some that are not grounded because the orig. install or prewire co. did not run one...i don't go out of my way to run one in these cases.
     
  11. During the 24 years I owned an alarm company there were two dealers in the
    greater Hartford area who did lots of Napco installations -- my company and
    one other. We grounded our panels and so did they. Napco's lightning
    protection is dependant on a solid earth ground.

    The only dealers I've known who routinely failed to ground their panels were
    also incompetent in other areas of the job.

    --
    Regards,

    Robert L Bass

    ===========================>
    Bass Burglar Alarms
    http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
    http://www.Bass-Home.com
    ===========================>
     
  12. The panel in question is a Napco system. One of the first things you need
    to do (unless you don't want any lightning protection) is properly ground
    the panel.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  13. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest

    Fat-Ass had a brain-fart and expelled:

    Look Fat Boy - don't talk about things you have no hands-on knowledge of. In my
    part of the country grounding panels is hit and miss at best.... So it's best
    to leave the panel with no path to the extreme lightning we get here.
     
  14. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    I could be wrong but lightning here is pretty much the same as over there
    and since Napco manuals state to use an earth ground I'd hazard a guess they
    know a little more about electronics than you do
     
  15. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest

    Subject: Re: P816 Question h e l p
    Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms

    That would be a rather hazardous assumption.
     
  16. alarman

    alarman Guest

    Nevertheless,....
    js
     
  17. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    But a valid one I'm sure
     
  18. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest

    Subject: Re: P816 Question h e l p
    Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms

    What?
     
  19. alarman

    alarman Guest

    Huh?
    js
     
  20. G. Morgan

    G. Morgan Guest

    Subject: Re: P816 Question h e l p
    Newsgroup: alt.security.alarms
    Really? The lightning in my area is almost the same as yours..

    Do you ground Napco, or any other panels Mark?
     
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