[OT] The stupidity of being too clever by half...

[Scott Stephens]

Once one realizes one has been taken as a sucker, how much more shall
one demand in recompense? How less can one be trusted to deliver value
for value in light of being pain in hurt for value?

The presumption that those that behave altruistically are moral fools in
a cynical world can only result in the degradation and destruction of
that world.

May God answer prayers, Jews and Gentiles, Protestant and Catholics,
Theist and Atheist. Its all the same - Predators and Prey playing silly
name-games.

--
Scott

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[Kevin Aylward]

Once one realizes one has been taken as a sucker, how much more shall
one demand in recompense? How less can one be trusted to deliver value
for value in light of being pain in hurt for value?

The presumption that those that behave altruistically are moral fools
in a cynical world can only result in the degradation and destruction
of that world.

May God answer prayers, Jews and Gentiles, Protestant and Catholics,
Theist and Atheist. Its all the same - Predators and Prey playing
silly name-games.

Indeed. Its all Darwinian Evolution.

"That which is mostly observed, is that which replicates the most."

http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html

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[Rich Grise]

Indeed. Its all Darwinian Evolution.

"That which is mostly observed, is that which replicates the most."

http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html

I really doubt Mr. Darwin had any more of a hand in how the system
was designed than you or I.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

Once one realizes one has been taken as a sucker, how much more shall one
demand in recompense? How less can one be trusted to deliver value for
value in light of being pain in hurt for value?

The presumption that those that behave altruistically are moral fools in a
cynical world can only result in the degradation and destruction of that
world.

May God answer prayers, Jews and Gentiles, Protestant and Catholics,
Theist and Atheist. Its all the same - Predators and Prey playing silly
name-games.

The Bush pseudochristians are in for a rude awakening when they
find the god they've been worshipping is the Antichrist.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Pooh Bear]

Once one realizes one has been taken as a sucker, how much more shall
one demand in recompense? How less can one be trusted to deliver value
for value in light of being pain in hurt for value?

The presumption that those that behave altruistically are moral fools in
a cynical world can only result in the degradation and destruction of
that world.

May God answer prayers, Jews and Gentiles, Protestant and Catholics,
Theist and Atheist. Its all the same - Predators and Prey playing silly
name-games.

You realise you've been taken for a sucker and turn to *God* ? Religion is
the ultimate suck.


Graham

 

[Kevin Aylward]

I really doubt Mr. Darwin had any more of a hand in how the system
was designed than you or I.

I don't understand the relevance of your comment. No one designed the
system. It just evolved.

Kevin Aylward
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http://www.anasoft.co.uk
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[Dan]

The Bush pseudochristians are in for a rude awakening when they

find the god they've been worshipping is the Antichrist.

That will be after Hillary gets elected, of course.

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

I don't understand the relevance of your comment. No one designed the
system. It just evolved.

I suspect Rich was "playing" on what could __appear__ to be the possessive form
of 'Darwinian.' In other words, "Darwinian Evolution" could be read as meaning
"Darwin's Evolution," as though the very processes of nature were his own.

Jon

 

[John Larkin]

Once one realizes one has been taken as a sucker, how much more shall
one demand in recompense?

And, more important, how the hell are you going to collect?

John

 

[Rich Grise]

I suspect Rich was "playing" on what could __appear__ to be the possessive
form of 'Darwinian.' In other words, "Darwinian Evolution" could be read
as meaning "Darwin's Evolution," as though the very processes of nature
were his own.

I think you're pretty close, plus I like to needle anybody who says,
"It's this way, because that's the way it is, and that's that."

I'm more interested in, howcome evolution works the way it does? What's
the motive force that induces subatomic particles to reverse entropy
and achieve a more highly-organized form?

I seem to encounter an uncomfortable silence when I ask things like
that.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Mark Fergerson]

Once one realizes one has been taken as a sucker, how

much more shall one demand in recompense?

One does not demand extra compensation for being taught a
harsh truth; one rewards it. For best effect, the "reward"
must be of the same flavor as the "lesson", frinst a term in
a truly unpleasant prison. That way the other guy also
learns a valuable lesson.

My first Martial Arts class gave me a whole new
understanding of "turn the other cheek".

How less can one be trusted to deliver value for value in

light of being pain in hurt for value?

Sigh. You trust a snake to bite you, not kiss you. The
problem is learning to identify and avoid snakes.

The presumption that those that behave altruistically are

moral fools in a cynical world can only result in the
degradation and destruction of that world.

You're looking at morality and ethics in a very
simplistic way. "Doing good" may involve allowing others to
feel small pain in order that they may learn to avoid great
pain.

Frinst, a teacher first strikes a student with the flat
of the sword. The student either learns to parry, or to quit
screwing around with swords.

If you simply kill those who offend you, they learn
nothing. If you teach them not to offend, you have added a
valuable member to society. If they prove incapable of
learning, a little genetic pool skimming may be indicated.

May God answer prayers, Jews and Gentiles, Protestant and

Catholics, Theist and Atheist. Its all the same - Predators
and Prey playing silly name-games.

Deities are, on the whole, infinitely more bloodthirsty
than any mortal could dream of being.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Rich Grise]

much more shall one demand in recompense? ....
moral fools in a cynical world can only result in the degradation and
destruction of that world.

You're looking at morality and ethics in a very
simplistic way. "Doing good" may involve allowing others to feel small
pain in order that they may learn to avoid great pain.

Frinst, a teacher first strikes a student with the flat
of the sword. The student either learns to parry, or to quit screwing
around with swords.

You're missing one major fundamental difference here:

This particular student signed up, voluntarily, to be slapped by the
instructor.

Inflicting pain against the will of your victim makes you no better
than a common murderer.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Mark Fergerson]

much more shall one demand in recompense?
moral fools in a cynical world can only result in the degradation and
destruction of that world.

You're looking at morality and ethics in a very
simplistic way. "Doing good" may involve allowing others to feel small
pain in order that they may learn to avoid great pain.

Frinst, a teacher first strikes a student with the flat
of the sword. The student either learns to parry, or to quit screwing
around with swords.

[/QUOTE]

You're missing one major fundamental difference here:

This particular student signed up, voluntarily, to be slapped by the
instructor.

Inflicting pain against the will of your victim makes you no better
than a common murderer.

You snipped the first part about "turning the other
cheek", which applies to the involuntary case.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Mark Fergerson]

I think you're pretty close, plus I like to needle anybody who says,
"It's this way, because that's the way it is, and that's that."

I'm more interested in, howcome evolution works the way it does?

What other way could it possibly work?

What's
the motive force that induces subatomic particles to reverse entropy
and achieve a more highly-organized form?

There isn't any, because they don't.

I seem to encounter an uncomfortable silence when I ask things like
that.

Ill-posed questions generally get that kind of response.

Now, ask what induces _molecules_ to do what you described.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Rich Grise]

What other way could it possibly work?

Well, it might obey the laws of entropy, but it seems not to want to.

There isn't any, because they don't.


Ill-posed questions generally get that kind of response.

Now, ask what induces _molecules_ to do what you described.

OK, what induces subatomic particles to coalesce into atoms just the way
they do?
What induces these atoms to spontaneously form complex molecules, which
requires an input of energy?
What makes these molecules decide to get together and cooperate, building
even more complex molecules, that then cooperate, building organelles
and cell structures, and so on?

These are the kinds of questions I'm looking for the answer to.

Among others. ;-)

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

You snipped the first part about "turning the other
cheek", which applies to the involuntary case.

Oh, yeah, that.

Why do people insist on following religions that teach, "When a man
kicks you, turn over and let him kick you some more, and be grateful
for the valuable lesson. If you rise up to defend yourself, you are
sinning against God, and will be punished mercilessly."

Sorry, that's the god of the nazis, and I have no use for him in
my Universe. In fact, it's time for him to leave, permanently.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Terry Given]

You're missing one major fundamental difference here:

This particular student signed up, voluntarily, to be slapped by the
instructor.

Inflicting pain against the will of your victim makes you no better
than a common murderer.

Thanks,
Rich

how about the dentist that treats the protesting child.....

for every assertion there appears to be an equal and opposite assertion...

Cheers
Terry the pedant

 

[Rich Grise]

how about the dentist that treats the protesting child.....

for every assertion there appears to be an equal and opposite assertion...

Yes, they hire henchmen to fine-tune the torture.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Scott Stephens]

You realise you've been taken for a sucker and turn to *God* ? Religion is
the ultimate suck.

Perhaps its linguistics, or deficiencies in communication channels that
permit deceit that really sucks.

--
Scott

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

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[Scott Stephens]

And, more important, how the hell are you going to collect?

Patience, faith, hope, and love for the values that have been violated,
the manifestation of which is incandescent hatred. I have the motive,
perhaps the means, only opportunity lacks.

It will be via omission, not commission, so I can give God the glory for
the justice of not doing it


--
Scott

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

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