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Just got my first edition of Census bureau's new survey titled
"The American Community Survey" which is 24 pages long.
They estimate the average time to complete the form is 38 minutes.

On pages 2 and 3 are entries for names and ages of 1-12 persons
in the household.

Pages 4,5,6,7, are household questions about type of residence,
age of building, when you moved in, how many agricultural products
were sold, how many rooms in the house, bedrooms, etc.

Then they want to know if the building has running water or not,
is there a flush toilet, telephone service, how many cars are in the
driveway, and what kind of fuel is used for heating; wood, coal, gas,
ect. or no fuel at all. And the cost of the fuel.

Next, they want to know how many food stamps you received last
year, and the value of your property and other financial information
loans, mortgages, options to buy, rent, insurance, taxes, ect.

Next, they want to know the main reason why anybody lives at
this address? Possible answers are; permanent address, seasonal,
to be close to work, to attend school, looking for a permanent
address, other (please specify).

That's the first 6 pages. Then comes 15 pages of personal
questions for each of 5 persons (3 pages each). There are no
personal questions for persons 6 through 12. Probably too much
waste of paper. Pages 22 and 23 are completely blank.

Are you a Citizen of the US ?
When did you come to live in the US?
What is your ethnic origin?
Do you speak a language other than English?
Have you lived here more than 1 year?
What kind of work do you do?
Where do you work?
What time do you leave for work?
How do you get there?
How long does it take to get to work?
Do you have disabilities ?
Have you given birth in the last year?
Do you have any grandchildren?
Have you served in the Military?
Did you have a job last week?
Are you looking for work?
How much is your income?
Do you have other income such as dividends,
social security, etc.

Is it really necessary for the Census Bureau
to ask all these personal questions, or is
it none of their business, and these quiz
sheets can be thrown in the trash, or returned
to sender?

-Bill
 
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Charlie Edmondson

Jan 1, 1970
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Just got my first edition of Census bureau's new survey titled
"The American Community Survey" which is 24 pages long.
They estimate the average time to complete the form is 38 minutes.

On pages 2 and 3 are entries for names and ages of 1-12 persons
in the household.

Pages 4,5,6,7, are household questions about type of residence,
age of building, when you moved in, how many agricultural products
were sold, how many rooms in the house, bedrooms, etc.

Then they want to know if the building has running water or not,
is there a flush toilet, telephone service, how many cars are in the
driveway, and what kind of fuel is used for heating; wood, coal, gas,
ect. or no fuel at all. And the cost of the fuel.

Next, they want to know how many food stamps you received last
year, and the value of your property and other financial information
loans, mortgages, options to buy, rent, insurance, taxes, ect.

Next, they want to know the main reason why anybody lives at
this address? Possible answers are; permanent address, seasonal,
to be close to work, to attend school, looking for a permanent
address, other (please specify).

That's the first 6 pages. Then comes 15 pages of personal
questions for each of 5 persons (3 pages each). There are no
personal questions for persons 6 through 12. Probably too much
waste of paper. Pages 22 and 23 are completely blank.

Are you a Citizen of the US ?
When did you come to live in the US?
What is your ethnic origin?
Do you speak a language other than English?
Have you lived here more than 1 year?
What kind of work do you do?
Where do you work?
What time do you leave for work?
How do you get there?
How long does it take to get to work?
Do you have disabilities ?
Have you given birth in the last year?
Do you have any grandchildren?
Have you served in the Military?
Did you have a job last week?
Are you looking for work?
How much is your income?
Do you have other income such as dividends,
social security, etc.

Is it really necessary for the Census Bureau
to ask all these personal questions, or is
it none of their business, and these quiz
sheets can be thrown in the trash, or returned
to sender?

-Bill
Nope, don't throw it in the trash...

I had this stuff a couple of years ago. This is just the beginning.
Next, they weill come by every quarter to do a detailed survey on your
spending and purchases. it was a good thing I keep good records, as
they want exact amounts and details!

Charlie
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Nope, don't throw it in the trash...

I had this stuff a couple of years ago. This is just the beginning.
Next, they weill come by every quarter to do a detailed survey on your
spending and purchases. it was a good thing I keep good records, as
they want exact amounts and details!

Charlie

Just say that you're an illegal immigrant, then they'll leave you
alone ;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
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Rich Grise, but drunk

Jan 1, 1970
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....
Nope, don't throw it in the trash...

But don't answer any of the questions except your name
and address. Maybe the number of people at that address.
I had this stuff a couple of years ago. This is just the beginning.
Next, they weill come by every quarter to do a detailed survey on your
spending and purchases. it was a good thing I keep good records, as
they want exact amounts and details!

What you're supposed to do is tell them to go away. "No, the
census is to determine the number of voters in a district.
That's what you're getting. Any more is harassment."

This is just another example of the way the gubmint is encroaching;
there's a (an?) historical precedent - no empire has lasted over
two hundred years since the Pharaohs, or Rome.

True Freedom would work fine, if peple would clue up that Free
Will is best, as long as you don't submit to the bullies.

Well, I'm gonna run for president on the Free Will party. Or
maybe the Neodruid party.

I'm gonna fire the IRS, and call a cease-fire in every country
where the US is conducting aggression. Not all of them are in
the NOOZ every day, you know.

In my inaugural address - or, wait. In my campaign announcement
press conference - I'm gonna say, "OK, I have the answer to the
terrorist suicide bomber attack problem.

"One, I will call an immediate unilateral cease-fire of all
United States military forces, worldwide.

"Two, I'm asking: Whoever's suicide bombing us, I've ordered a
cease-fire. Will you not suicide bomb us TODAY? If nobody shoots
at our troops, or sets off any bombs in our country or any
peaceful country, TODAY, then TOMORROW, I will order that the
cease-fire continue, for ONE DAY. If there are no "terrorist"
attacks [and I'm gonna do that finger-quotie thingie in my
speech], I will continue our cease fire for TWO DAYS. I'm
willing to keep up this pattern as long as NOBODY FIRES THE
FIRST SHOT.

"When I am elected president, I WILL NOT FIRE THE FIRST SHOT.
That's my platform. I'll be the commander-in-chief! If it's
really the "Department of Defense", let's all look up what
"Defense" actually means. Defense does not include firing the
first shot.

"OK, OK, We fired on you, but that was that insane despot
that we've just saved ourselves from by the skin of our
teeth - did the world really want to see the resurgence
of Hitler?

"Anyway, that should cause world peace, since we've won.
Oh, yeah, American People - haven't you noticed? We won
the cold war. This is another reason to be really frightened
of the -
wait a minute. That's just politicking. Well, hell, I'm
making this up as I go along!

"Three: I will fire the IRS, and abolish the US federal
income tax.

"Period.

"It's an immoral tax, indistinguishable from grand theft.
Robin hood stole from the rich to give to the poor - the
power of government to tax steals from both the poor and
the working class, to give to the rich, and that's just
plain wrong.

"Do we really want to assemble the worst aspects of
communist Russia, communist China, and fascist Nazi
(Hitler's) Germany, and make that the personality of
THE KING OF THE WORLD!???"

"We Won. Let's lead by example. Let's show the world
how much better freedom is than murder.

"Ladies and gentlemen, it's time. We've won. Let's
stop bullying. Let's be a benevolent king."

Thanks,
Rich
 
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Rich Grise, but drunk

Jan 1, 1970
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Just say that you're an illegal immigrant, then they'll leave you
alone ;-)

Theoretically, all the census is is the count of people. Maybe even
the count of "eligible voters". But they could really simplify it -
back when all they did was count people, the census was over in a
matter of days. Oh, sure, they sent out some paperwork in advance,
so that the volunteers would have forms when they went, essentially,
door-to-door. But that used to work! If all the federal government
did was ask each state government for their totals, and all that
the state government did was ask each county government for their
totals, and all that the county government did was ask their
municipalities what their totals were, and find a couple of
volunteers to go count unincorporated people; and anything
that has a city hall - heck, they could have it done in an evening,
if somebody from each block neighborhood showed up for the town
meeting, and the mayor asked for each block's totals, you could
do it in a couple of hours.

But these days, there are too many people trying to hide.

Why might that be? What might prompt you to hide? Because
The Bully is looking to take your lunch money?

And, of course, The Bully wants to root out every single shred
of whatever it can get its hands on, so it can be in absolute
control, like The MCP, or that big computer in "I, Robot the
movie", or any of the big mongo computers throughout sci-fi,
who got intelligent and decided that the right thing to do
for the Good Of All was to simply get rid of all of the
humans.

Is there anybody here who could bridge the gap from that
concept to the concept that there are two "Supreme Powers" -
who have the power to do miracles, and they're in one of
those energy bolt battles, and the prize is:
If guy A wins, we all live.
If guy B wins, we all die. But, forever.

Oh, crap, the philosophizer is banging at the gate, and I
think that what's on the radio is encouraging him!
Suffice it to say, I don't believe that becoming dead is
the path to eternal life, so I disagree with both religion
and science.

Anyways, where was I?

I guess I'll close - this is too tall to go back and
restart anything of interest. Damn! That's another reason
they hate pot! Pot and alcohol are synergistic! And it's
FUN!!!!!!!!

Fun with no built-in punishment, that's why the puritans
(and I've uncapitalized it intentionally, since they've
degraded themselves, by their own attitudes, to nothing
more than a denigrative adjective) hate pot.

They tried it with alcohol, but we've all seen "The
Untouchables." ! =:-O It's the same war, just on "marihuana,
assasin of youth". ("Which" war, ICYW, the war on free
thinking.) (In case you're wondering. Hell, it took me
two tries to remember what that acronym was. OK, I've
been having herbal enhancements to my alcoholic buzz, or
is that using alcohol as an enhancement to the herbal
buzz?)

Four, I will stand down the entire war on drugs. There should
not even _BE_ such a thing as "Schedule 1 controlled
substances." That's insane in one POV, and in another it's
a direct reincarnation of the spirit of any dictator who
thinks absolute rule will somehow make the world safe for
whatever it wants the world safe for.

Unless, of course, the guy is possessed by one of the Princes
of Death - Oh, yeah - in case nobody's noticed, God has
THREE sons, two of which are bastards.

There's Jesus, who he had with Mother, and is the Prince of
Love.

There's Lucifer, who he had with Denied Mother, and is the
Prince of Lies.

And There's Ahriman, who God begat without the help of
Mother at all - kinda like spontaneous parthenogenesis, but
he called on the Asuras, so that now we have denial spirits
amongst us.

Ahriman is the prince of death, and he's possessed by the
Asuras, who only want to get back to the peace of nonexistence.

The only problem is, to stop letting them take real
essence with them into death. Religion says, "You get eternal
life in Spirit", and Science says, "There ain't no such thing.
When you're dead, you're dead. I know it, because it's been
proved! And it's been proved that there's no more knowledge
to be had than what somebody else is already telling me, and
my body isn't imparting any information...."

Well, I'm getting to the point where I'd need a live chat.

I wonder if I should find a CGI or java chat script, and open
up a chat room?

Oh, wait. I'm Free Will guy. It's not youse guys' call. If I
get inspired, I'll do it.

I wonder if anybody'd attend? Hmmmmmm

Thanks!
Rich


Oops! A little philosophizing there!
 
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Roger Johansson

Jan 1, 1970
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It is of great value to the government to know as much as possible
about the citizens, and in some cases this is a good thing for the
citizen too. He gets better health care if the authorities know more
about the general health in the country.

USA is now becoming more like Europe, where the authorities have much
better control of the population.

It is also a part of the war on terror. If we know a lot about
everybody we can much easier find the few who are engaging in dangerous
activities.
control, like The MCP, or that big computer in "I, Robot the
movie", or any of the big mongo computers throughout sci-fi,
who got intelligent and decided that the right thing to do
for the Good Of All was to simply get rid of all of the
humans.

It has been the goal of the church for thousands of years to get rid of
all the humans, everybody should be savoured, become a member of the
religious community. But creationism cannot exist without its victims,
the people who are "dead" spiritually.
Is there anybody here who could bridge the gap from that
concept to the concept that there are two "Supreme Powers" -
who have the power to do miracles, and they're in one of
those energy bolt battles, and the prize is:
If guy A wins, we all live.
If guy B wins, we all die. But, forever.

Why is there such a big difference between spiritual life and spiritual
death?

Well, to somebody who uses drugs it is common to shift the state of
mind. We know what it is like to be stoned or speeded, and how we
always return to some kind of reality. But the big majority have only
experienced a few different state of minds, to them it is very
important not to fall back into puberty, becoming the victim of
bullying again.

It is so important that it has got a name, male honor.

Spiritual death is what the creationists make other people into. It is
not a natural state of mind, and spiritual life is not natural either.
If we can abolish these traditions we can get a much better state of
mind for all of us. Better than both life and death, in spiritual
meaning.
Oh, crap, the philosophizer is banging at the gate, and I
think that what's on the radio is encouraging him!

Maybe the radio people listen to him.
Others in media are creating a lot of disturbances just because they
think it is needed, as a counter weight against the most common drug in
this world, Love as created by the religious traditions.
Suffice it to say, I don't believe that becoming dead is
the path to eternal life, so I disagree with both religion
and science.

Science in the creationist society is influenced by the current
paradigm, so they see the victims of creationism as normal people. A
normality which demands a lot of violence in media channels.

The creationists need to hammer their own heads just as much as they
hammered the heads of the innocents, to fit into the dualistic world
they have created. The lucky ones have very pink hammers, they don't
hurt as much subjectively as they contain a strong positive conviction
as well as a certain amount of stress.
I guess I'll close - this is too tall to go back and
restart anything of interest. Damn! That's another reason
they hate pot! Pot and alcohol are synergistic! And it's
FUN!!!!!!!!

The creationist society is a big drug manufacturing factory.
All these traditions, all this violence, has one goal,
to create the holy spirit in the man's mind.
They need to have a monopoly on drugs, so they naturally hate all other
drugs than socially created Love.

And they hate speed more than any other drug, because it gives very
similar effects as Love.
Four, I will stand down the entire war on drugs. There should
not even BE such a thing as "Schedule 1 controlled
substances." That's insane in one POV, and in another it's
a direct reincarnation of the spirit of any dictator who
thinks absolute rule will somehow make the world safe for
whatever it wants the world safe for.

Most of the problems associated with drugs are actually effects of big
money involved, so we should abolish money instead of trying to stop
people from medicating themselves as well as they can.
Sell all drugs cheaply in the pharmacy, and the money and violence are
gone.

Any remaining problems are a lot easier to solve if the illegality is
gone, people with problems can seek help without risking their freedom.
Somebody with a seemingly unrelated medical problem can tell his doctor
about the drugs he use, which is a big help for the doctor in finding
out what you are suffering from.
Well, I'm getting to the point where I'd need a live chat.

Chat is like talking, and is not the best way to communicate about
serious stuff. Usenet and email are good ways to communicate, it gives
us time to read carefully what the other wrote, we can think for hours
about what to reply, and use hours to edit it well, to give each
argument the best possible representation.

Text communication also has the advantage that you can stay on the
beach all day and get involved in thinking and writing when you come
home and when it suits you best. For chatting all parties need to be
active simultaneously.
 
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keith

Jan 1, 1970
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It is of great value to the government to know as much as possible
about the citizens, and in some cases this is a good thing for the
citizen too. He gets better health care if the authorities know more
about the general health in the country.

Oh, horseshit!
USA is now becoming more like Europe, where the authorities have much
better control of the population.

Good grief! What a paranoid.
It is also a part of the war on terror. If we know a lot about
everybody we can much easier find the few who are engaging in dangerous
activities.

It has *nothing to do with the "war on terror". It's the census. They
cannot report the individual data for 75 years after it's taken. It is
used for economic decisions and obviously for partitioning the House.

It has been the goal of the church for thousands of years to get rid of
all the humans, everybody should be savoured, become a member of the
religious community. But creationism cannot exist without its victims,
the people who are "dead" spiritually.
Paranoid-Delsuions-R-US.


Why is there such a big difference between spiritual life and spiritual
death?

There isn't. Why do you think there is? It's inbetween that the rational
people worry about.
Well, to somebody who uses drugs it is common to shift the state of
mind. We know what it is like to be stoned or speeded, and how we always
return to some kind of reality. But the big majority have only
experienced a few different state of minds, to them it is very important
not to fall back into puberty, becoming the victim of bullying again.

Well... It's unclear that you've ever "come back" to anything resembling
normal.

It is so important that it has got a name, male honor.

Huh? Replecation of the genes, perhaps.

Oh, crap! Too much nonsense tonight.
 
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keith

Jan 1, 1970
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But don't answer any of the questions except your name
and address. Maybe the number of people at that address.


What you're supposed to do is tell them to go away. "No, the
census is to determine the number of voters in a district.
That's what you're getting. Any more is harassment."

Bad advice. You can be supeoned for this information. It will be ugly if
they so desire.
This is just another example of the way the gubmint is encroaching;
there's a (an?) historical precedent - no empire has lasted over two
hundred years since the Pharaohs, or Rome.

Well, we've been here a few more than that, and will likely be around at
least a couple more.
True Freedom would work fine, if peple would clue up that Free Will is
best, as long as you don't submit to the bullies.

You'll do much better answering their silly questions.
Well, I'm gonna run for president on the Free Will party. Or maybe the
Neodruid party.

....good thing Kevin isn't a US citizen, eh?
I'm gonna fire the IRS, and call a cease-fire in every country where the
US is conducting aggression. Not all of them are in the NOOZ every day,
you know.

Pacifist weenies always loose.
In my inaugural address - or, wait. In my campaign announcement press
conference - I'm gonna say, "OK, I have the answer to the terrorist
suicide bomber attack problem.

Yep! "Hit me first, I won't retaliate". ...rather like Carter and
Clinton.
"One, I will call an immediate unilateral cease-fire of all United
States military forces, worldwide.

See above (you're repeating yourself).
"Two, I'm asking: Whoever's suicide bombing us, I've ordered a
cease-fire. Will you not suicide bomb us TODAY? If nobody shoots at our
troops, or sets off any bombs in our country or any peaceful country,
TODAY, then TOMORROW, I will order that the cease-fire continue, for ONE
DAY. If there are no "terrorist" attacks [and I'm gonna do that
finger-quotie thingie in my speech], I will continue our cease fire for
TWO DAYS. I'm willing to keep up this pattern as long as NOBODY FIRES
THE FIRST SHOT.

....and *THEN* what are you going to do? Tell them that you're really mad
now, and *please* stop! What a limp-dick (Carter must be your hero)!
"When I am elected president, I WILL NOT FIRE THE FIRST SHOT. That's my
platform. I'll be the commander-in-chief! If it's really the "Department
of Defense", let's all look up what "Defense" actually means. Defense
does not include firing the first shot.

The first shot was fired long ago. It just took a couple of presidents
to recognise that the shot was indeed fired.
"OK, OK, We fired on you, but that was that insane despot that we've
just saved ourselves from by the skin of our teeth - did the world
really want to see the resurgence of Hitler?

....or Stalin? ...or Saddam Hitler?

<snip> Arguing with a drugged-drunk is getting boring.
 
It is of great value to the government to know as much as possible
about the citizens, and in some cases this is a good thing for the
citizen too. He gets better health care if the authorities know more
about the general health in the country.

There are no questions on the form concerning health care. They do not
ask about the cost of health insurance, or auto insurance. They only
want to know how many cars are in the driveway and if you are receiving
disability or food stamps. Health insurance is of no concern. Somebody
else pays for that.

-Bill
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Most of the problems associated with drugs are actually effects of big
money involved, so we should abolish money instead of trying to stop
people from medicating themselves as well as they can.
Sell all drugs cheaply in the pharmacy, and the money and violence are
gone.

Nah, there's already a pretty effective distribution system in place,
it's just "underground". Let people grow their own pot, and let them
sell it with about the same restrictions as a "Farmer's Market".
Maybe a law about not selling it to kids, like they have with
tobacco and alcohol. It is a euphoriant, after all.

For import? A dollar an ounce duty. "Anything to declare?" "Yeah,
a pound of Acapulco Gold." "OK, one pound, that'll be sixteen
dollars." "OK, here ya go." "Have a nice day!"

For refined coke, maybe a hundred dollars an ounce duty. Poof!
All the mob profits disappear, and the druggies sit at home
getting high.

Cheers!
Rich
 
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